Happy or truth

@kellyjay said
I'm not asking you to;

But you ARE asking me to.

Are you or not?

@kellyjay said
I don't give a crap you think I'm playing the victim

Yes it is my opinion.

@kellyjay said
Are we on a happiness quest or a truth quest?
Would we want to know the truth if it wasn't what we think it should be?
If I'm content the way I am, and truth would be upsetting, would I prefer being ignorant?
Thoughts

I think your questions are subjective, and can only be answered subjectively.
I'm certainly not on a happiness 'quest', although like most people I try to make my situation as conducive to my idea of a good life as I can (living in a place I'm content to live in, loving the person who loves me, that kind of thing)
If the opposite of truth is a lie, I certainly couldn't live one of those, nor could I ignore things around me which don't conveniently fit with the way I would chose to live, or believe in things that I can't believe to be true, no matter how much I would want them to be true.

@indonesia-phil said
I think your questions are subjective, and can only be answered subjectively.
I'm certainly not on a happiness 'quest', although like most people I try to make my situation as conducive to my idea of a good life as I can (living in a place I'm content to live in, loving the person who loves me, that kind of thing)
If the opposite of truth is a lie, I certainly coul ...[text shortened]... believe in things that I can't believe to be true, no matter how much I would want them to be true.

Whatever we believe in is either true or false, a lie is a purposeful twist of the truth to make seem like it is true, that requires intent. Professing something you believe true that isn’t is a mistake. Professing something you can not know absolutely as if it’s true that is hovering between lies and delusional thinking. Claiming you know something when it can only taken on faith is believing in it, basing your life on it is taking it on faith.

@kellyjay said
Whatever we believe in is either true or false,

It you have been adamant in this thread that your OP is NOT about what you “believe”… right?

@divegeester said
It you have been adamant in this thread that your OP is NOT about what you “believe”… right?

dive, why don't you stop being the RedHot Pawn Spirituality hall monitor and get a life.

@kellyjay said
Whatever we believe in is either true or false, a lie is a purposeful twist of the truth to make seem like it is true, that requires intent. Professing something you believe true that isn’t is a mistake. Professing something you can not know absolutely as if it’s true that is hovering between lies and delusional thinking. Claiming you know something when it can only taken on faith is believing in it, basing your life on it is taking it on faith.

You seem to be getting rather defensive about this, when all I did was state my own position in regard to your OP. We are surrounded by 'purposeful twists of the truth', one only has to read a newspaper or listen to politicians to see that, the trick is knowing what to make of it, and making the best judgements we can. Professing what one believes to be true may not be a mistake, but it doesn't make that which one believes in any truer. Do you think that all religion, which cannot be known absolutely as truth, is 'hovering between lies and delusional thinking' ?

@indonesia-phil said
You seem to be getting rather defensive about this, when all I did was state my own position in regard to your OP. We are surrounded by 'purposeful twists of the truth', one only has to read a newspaper or listen to politicians to see that, the trick is knowing what to make of it, and making the best judgements we can. Professing what one believes to be true may not be ...[text shortened]... ion, which cannot be known absolutely as truth, is 'hovering between lies and delusional thinking' ?

Not defensive, I believe we are in a broken world, and the truth is constantly being defined and redefined with everyone's current thinking (opinions). What is true never changes, only how we view things.

I guess the scariest place to be is when we have made up our minds we know, there is no doubt in us whatsoever! When it is settled, we can be hovering between lies and delusional thinking, and no amount of evidence can change our minds. What is true will always be confirmed since it doesn't change while things that are not, adjustments are required. While we are open to hearing contrary views and weighing things appropriately, we are safer.

In something like Dawkin's statement about life-looking design, but it isn't that is only an illusion if I am quoting him correctly. That is a statement of truth by definition, not by evidence. If we cannot believe our eyes, we can say we cannot tell the difference between boys and girls biologically speaking; the world of illusions and delusions is much broader than truth. Truth is very narrow and exclusive; something either is or is not; it can be close or way out there.

@kellyjay said
dive, why don't you stop being the RedHot Pawn Spirituality hall monitor and get a life.

I think your descent into more aggressive responses indicates that you are upset that you’ve been found to be furtive, self-contradictory and intellectual dishonest in this thread.

@kellyjay said
What is true will always be confirmed since it doesn't change while things that are not, adjustments are required.

But your truth claims rooted in your belief in supernatural causality, for example, are not "always confirmed".

@divegeester said
I think your decent into more aggressive responses indicates that you are upset that you’ve been found to be furtive, self-contradictory and intellectual dishonest in this thread.

Says the guy who corrects the Bible because he doesn't like it what it says. Your psychoanalyzes are noted and are ignored as your Biblical interpretations.

@fmf said
But your truth claims rooted in your belief in supernatural causality, for example, are not "always confirmed".

If what we believed was always confirmed, it wouldn't be a matter of faith, now would it? Not sure what truth claim you are referring to; start another thread if you want to go into specifics.

@kellyjay said
Says the guy who corrects the Bible because he doesn't like it what it says. Your psychoanalyzes are noted and are ignored as your Biblical interpretations.

My observation in this thread of your intellectual dishonesty, self-contradiction and furtiveness has nothing to do with the Bible or my interpretation of it KellyJay.

@divegeester said
My observation in this thread of your intellectual dishonesty, self-contradiction and furtiveness has nothing to do with the Bible or my interpretation of it KellyJay.

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@kellyjay said
zzzz

Oh you’re not sleeping KellyJay, I can see you buzzing around in my little bug jar.

I think this thread has been a class example of your dishonestly in debate.