Happy or truth

@divegeester said
Oh you’re not sleeping KellyJay, I can see you buzzing around in my little bug jar.

I think this thread has been a class example of your dishonestly in debate.

There is no debate here; dive just you spewing, think what you will.

@kellyjay said
If what we believed was always confirmed, it wouldn't be a matter of faith, now would it?

"Faith" does not consist of objective "truths".

@kellyjay said
There is no debate here; dive just you spewing, think what you will.

No one is “spewing” KellyJay, no one is “condemning” you, no one is talking “crap”.

You’ve just gotten yourself painted into an intellectual corner from near the start of this thread and you pave been doubling down on it ever since with self-contradiction and furtiveness.

Just admit it … your OP in fact IS all about you, your religion, your beliefs…isn’t it?

@fmf said
"Faith" does not consist of objective "truths".

Faith is something we trust without being able to prove; it is a matter of fidelity. Having faith dispelled would be learning something we thought true wasn't, or thinking something that was untrue was.

@divegeester said
No one is “spewing” KellyJay, no one is “condemning” you, no one is talking “crap”.

You’ve just gotten yourself painted into an intellectual corner from near the start of this thread and you pave been doubling down on it ever since with self-contradiction and furtiveness.

Just admit it … your OP in fact IS all about you, your religion, your beliefs…isn’t it?

I'm not in a corner; since reality doesn't seem to affect your stances, pick whatever you want this OP to be about and run with it like you do everything else; why do you feel the need for me to confirm your OPINION when you are going to make claims regardless of what I say?

@kellyjay said
Faith is something we trust without being able to prove.

Referring to articles of one's own subjective faith or belief as "truth" as if they are objective - when talking to others - is a self-centred perspective.

@fmf said
Referring to articles of one's own subjective faith or belief as "truth" as if they are objective - when talking to others - is a self-centred perspective.

If I were picking anything to prove in this thread you would have a point. I have been resisting just that since the only thing I am concerned about here is truth and happiness not defined by me.

Let everyone who considers whatever those are in their own lives ponder what they think! I am not in this thread wanting to tell them what to believe about for any specific topic, I don’t know how many times I have to tell you that!

@kellyjay said
If I were picking anything to prove in this thread you would have a point. I have been resisting just that since the only thing I am concerned about here is truth and happiness not defined by me.

Let everyone who considers whatever those are in their own lives ponder what they think! I am not in this thread wanting to tell them what to believe about for any specific topic, I don’t know how many times I have to tell you that!

They have no interest in the topic. Any casual observer can see they are only here to muck up this thread because it was you who started it.
Hopefully they will give up, jump back into their little clown car and go away. But as my dad used to say, "If wishes were horses beggars would ride".. so I'm not holding my breath waiting for that to happen.

I'm filing this observation under the heading "unhappy truths".

@kilroy70 said
They have no interest in the topic.

I have been debating the concepts of "truth", "objectivity" and "faith" ~ as well as the purpose/meaning of life [one's "quest", so to speak] with KellyJay for over a decade. The topic is a perennial one. You are mistaken if you think I have "no interest" in it.

@fmf said
I have been debating the concepts of "truth", "objectivity" and "faith" ~ as well as the purpose/meaning of life [one's "quest", so to speak] with KellyJay for over a decade. The topic is a perennial one. You are mistaken if you think I have "no interest" in it.

And you are mistaken if you think I need you to explain what I can clearly see for myself. Your so called "interest in the topic" is secondary at best. It primarily serves as a springboard for launching attacks and puffing yourself up.

@kilroy70 said
And you are mistaken if you think I need you to explain what I can clearly see for myself. Your so called "interest in the topic" is secondary at best. It primarily serves as a springboard for launching attacks and puffing yourself up.

Call it how you want to, by all means. I always do - and I have done so on this thread - as has KellyJay. But you are misreading the situation if you think I "have no interest in the topic".

@fmf said
Call it how you want to, by all means. I always do - and I have done so on this thread - as has KellyJay. But you are misreading the situation if you think I "have no interest in the topic".

I've seen your "interest" in other topics on other threads. And I've seen how your buddy delights in pushing buttons to get a reaction that gets someone banned.
You two make the 3 stooges look like a class act.

@kilroy70 said
I've seen how your buddy delights in pushing buttons to get a reaction that gets someone banned.You two make the 3 stooges look like a class act.

As I say, call it how you see it. That's what I do.

@kilroy70 said
I've seen your "interest" in other topics on other threads.

I shall keep an eye on the topics you show any interest in on other threads - or threads that you start - and engage you and your ideas accordingly.

@kellyjay said
I'm not in a corner; since reality doesn't seem to affect your stances, pick whatever you want this OP to be about and run with it like you do everything else; why do you feel the need for me to confirm your OPINION when you are going to make claims regardless of what I say?

I think you are in a tiny little corner of your own making. And you know it.