10 Jul 09
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Originally posted by daniel58You are like a cockroach that looks up at all humans and says
It means they have the same "Infinite Nature" so to speak they are both God therefore neither One can be higher or lower than the other.
".. they have the same nature so to speak they are both people therefore neither One can be higher or lower than the other..."
The verse is clear. The same way Christ is the head of every man, the same way God is the head of Christ.
There is a definite pecking order. Its crystal clear.
GOD
then
CHRIST
then
MAN
then
WOMAN
Get it ?
Why do you people insist on arguing with the words of the Bible that are crystal clear?
10 Jul 09
Originally posted by Rajk999Yes but as man and woman have the same nature so do the Son and Father. They are both equal in NATURE!!!
You are like a cockroach that looks up at all humans and says
".. they have the same nature so to speak they are both people therefore neither One can be higher or lower than the other..."
The verse is clear. The same way Christ is the head of every man, the same way God is the head of Christ.
There is a definite pecking order. Its crystal clear.
...[text shortened]... it ?
Why do you people insist on arguing with the words of the Bible that are crystal clear?
10 Jul 09
Originally posted by daniel58Yes Daniel they are both of equal value no doubt, but they have differing natures designed to compliment one another and different roles, don't you think.
Yes but as man and woman have the same nature so do the Son and Father. They are both equal in NATURE!!!
10 Jul 09
Originally posted by Rajk999Raj Raj, you will give yourself an ulcer, he is only relating what his thoughts are, its not befitting for a Christian to speak this way, calling Daniel a cockroach is going to far my friend, please!
You are like a cockroach that looks up at all humans and says
".. they have the same nature so to speak they are both people therefore neither One can be higher or lower than the other..."
The verse is clear. The same way Christ is the head of every man, the same way God is the head of Christ.
There is a definite pecking order. Its crystal clear.
...[text shortened]... it ?
Why do you people insist on arguing with the words of the Bible that are crystal clear?
10 Jul 09
Originally posted by robbie carrobieNever said he is one. I said he is thinking like one.
Raj Raj, you will give yourself an ulcer, he is only relating what his thoughts are, its not befitting for a Christian to speak this way, calling Daniel a cockroach is going to far my friend, please!
Somebody needs to shut him up for all the spamming he has been doing as well. All the old threads he is pulling up and posting nonsense.
Let me at him ... 🙂
10 Jul 09
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Originally posted by daniel58Look at this passage :
Yes but as man and woman have the same nature so do the Son and Father. They are both equal in NATURE!!!
1 Cor 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.
28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.
Note :
1. Christ will deliver the kingdom to God.
2. When all things are subdued then the Son (Christ) will be SUBJECT TO GOD.
'Subject to' cannot be the same as 'Equal to', except maybe in your little mind.
Its the same story all over the Bible. There are hundreds of passages that say clearly they are seperate and distinct entities, with God being the HEAD of Christ. There are just a handful of vague passages which can be twisted to mean Christ and God are one being or that Christ is God incarnate.
10 Jul 09
Originally posted by Rajk999maybe he is just unaccustomed to the etiquette of the forum?
Never said he is one. I said he is thinking like one.
Somebody needs to shut him up for all the spamming he has been doing as well. All the old threads he is pulling up and posting nonsense.
Let me at him ... 🙂
10 Jul 09
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Originally posted by Rajk999===================================
1Cor 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and [b]the head of Christ is God.
Christ is the Son of God.
God is the Father of Christ.
They are not equal but distinct and separate entities.[/b]
Christ is the Son of God.
God is the Father of Christ.
They are not equal but distinct and separate entities.
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The believers indwelt by the Spirit of God can detect no difference. How many "Persons" are in the believers in Romans 8 ?
"But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. (v.9a)
1 "The Spirit of God"
" Yet if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not of Him. (v.9b)
+1 "The Spirit of Christ"
"But if Christ is in you, though the body is dead because of sin, yet the spirit is life because of righteousness." (v.10)
+1 "Christ"
"And if the Spirit of the One who raised Jesus from the dead dwells in you, He who raised Christ Jesus from the dead will also give life to your mortal bodies through His Spirit eho indwells you." (v11)
+1 "The Spirit of the One who raised Jesus"
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1 God
1+1+1+1=1
The Spirit of God is in them Who = The Spirit of Christ in them = Christ in them = The Spirit of the One who raised Jesus from the dead in them.
There are not FOUR SEPARATE Persons in the Christians but ONE "Person"
The One Who raised Christ Jesus from the dead has a Spirit. Yet that Spirit is called Christ.
The Spirit of God is called Christ.
The Spirit of Christ is also called Christ.
Each Name is said to be indwelling the beleivers. Furthermore Christ is:
1.) At the right hand of God interceding for the believers (Romans 8:34) - "... Christ Jesus ... who is also at the right hand of God"
2.) Within the believers giving them divine life (Romans 8:10) "But if Christ is in you ..."
Therefore Christ is BOTH places, in heaven at the right hand of God and within the Christians, indwelling them and giving them divine life.
Furthermore, the Holy Spirit will be in the disciples - " ... the Spirit of reality ... He abides with you and shall be in you." (John 14:17)
Yet His coming to be in them is the coming of the Father and the Son as the divine WE to make an abode in them.
" ... My Father will love him, and WE will come to him and make an abode with him" (John 14:23)
The coming of the Spirit to the diciples is also the coming of Christ to the disciples:
" ... the Spirit of reality ... He abides with you and shall be in you, I will not leave you orphans; I am coming to you." (John 14:17,18)
The He who will be in the disciples in verse 17 suddenly changes to "I", Jesus, Who is coming to the disciples and will not leave them orphans.
Christ is in the dicsciples: " ... do you not realize about yourselves that Jesus Christ is in you ..." (2 Cor. 13:5)
Yet at the same time the Father of Christ is in all of the disciples:
"One God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and IN ALL" (Eph. 4:6 my emphasis)
The believers can detect no difference as to WHO is indwelling them. It is Christ in them, it is the Holy Spirit in them, it is the Father in them. They cannot detect that there are three Persons in them. So I say that the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are distinct but they are not separated in the believer.
It is the Holy Spirit in the disciples: " ... He has given to us of His Spirit" (1 John 4:13)
But it is through the Spirit that the disciples KNOW that God abides in them:
" ... God abides in us ... In this we know that we abide in Him and He in us, that He has given to us of His Spirit" (See 1 John 4:12,13)
The last Adam Christ became the life giving Holy Spirit to indwell the believers:
"... the last Adam became a life giving Spirit" (1 Cor. 15:45)
But this life giving Spirit who Christ became is the Spirit of the One Who raised Christ Jesus from the dead, the Spirit of the Father:
" ... the Spirit of the One who raised Christ Jesus from the dead dwells in you..." (Rom. 8:11)
To have this Spirit indwelling us is to have God indwelling us:
"Whosoever confesses that Jesus is the Son of God, God abides in him." (1 John 4:15)
The Spirit of God's Son is to be poured into the hearts of the believers:
"God has sent forth the Spirit of His Son into our hearts ..." (Gal.4:6)
But for the Spirit to enter our hearts is for Christ to enter our hearts:
"That Christ may make His home in your heart through faith" (Eph. 3:17)
I could go on and on. The bottom line is that in the subjective experience of God the Christians can detect no difference between the THREE of the Triune God.
10 Jul 09
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Originally posted by jaywillJaywill, what nonsense are you rambling on about. None of the verses you quote contradict what Paul clearly states, which is that Christ and God are two separate, distinct and unequal entities. The verses which support separate and distinct and unequal Christ and God are in the hundreds.
[b]===================================
Christ is the Son of God.
God is the Father of Christ.
They are not equal but distinct and separate entities.
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The believers indwelt by the Spirit of God can detect no difference. How many "Persons" are in the believers in Romans 8 ?
"But you are not in the fl difference between the THREE of the Triune God.[/b]
1 Cor 11:3 ... the head of Christ is God.
END OF STORY. That says it all.
Also in 1 Cor 15:22-24 - in a nutshell says Christ will deliver the kingdom to God, and When all things are subdued then he will be SUBJECT TO GOD.
I repeat... Christ will deliver the kingdom to God when all is subdued and therafter be SUBJECT TO GOD.
This is crystal clear, simple and factual. No spindoctor can change the meaning of those verses.
Are you saying that you know more than Paul? Paul is misguided? Paul is not a believer indwelt by the Spirit of God ? What?
The bottom line ? You think that the volume and complexity of your post makes you more credible.
10 Jul 09
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Originally posted by Rajk999Where in 1 Cor. 11:3 does it say that Christ and God are separate ?
Jaywill, what nonsense are you rambling on about. None of the verses you quote contradict what Paul clearly states, which is that Christ and God are two separate, distinct and unequal entities. The verses which support separate and distinct and unequal Christ and God are in the hundreds.
1 Cor 11:3 ... the head of Christ is God.
END OF STORY. That s ...[text shortened]... The bottom line ? You think that the volume and complexity of your post makes you more credible.
That is a concept that you are inserting from your natural mind. You probably lack subjective experience of Christ dwelling in you.
10 Jul 09
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How many Divine Spirits are there Rakj999?
Are there TWO or ONE Spirit of God ?
How come "The Lord is the Spirit" (2 Cor. 3:17)?
Oh, if you doubt who "the Lord" is in 2 Cor. look at 4:5 - "We do not preach ourselves but Christ Jesus as Lord ..."
So how come the Lord is the Spirit?
Are there TWO divine Spirits ?
10 Jul 09
Originally posted by jaywillYou are full of baloney Jaywill. Do you need Paul to tell you also that a man and a woman are separate?
Where in [b]1 Cor. 11:3 does it say that Christ and God are separate ?
That is a concept that you are inserting from your natural mind. You probably lack subjective experience of Christ dwelling in you.[/b]
I Cor 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
10 Jul 09
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Originally posted by Rajk999You are full of baloney Jaywill,
You are full of baloney Jaywill. Do you need Paul to tell you also that a man and a woman are separate?
I Cor 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
Lol, oh Raj, you have brought a smile to my face, please no offence Jaywill, but he makes me laugh! for it is such an Americanism, baloney? what is that?
10 Jul 09
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Originally posted by Rajk999==========================
You are full of baloney Jaywill. Do you need Paul to tell you also that a man and a woman are separate?
I Cor 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
Cor 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
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You did not try to answer my question about (2 Cor. 3:17) You insulted me instead.
I know 11 year olds who would not be that rude.
I am not full of baloney. These matters have been contemplated by minds smarter than both of ours for a long time.
I do believe that the Head of Christ is God. But Paul ALSO says "For in Him [Christ] all the fullness was please to dwell." (Col. 1:19)
Now though God is the Head of Christ did this mean the the fullness was SEPARATED from Christ ? But the word of God says that the fullness was pleased to dwell in Christ.
How come the fullness was not pleased to remain outside and above Christ so as to be the separated Head of Christ ?
See if you can answer without making an insult.
10 Jul 09
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Originally posted by jaywillWell the head of Christ is God, but only when he was on earth. Or was it all the time or just when the Holy Ghost isn't around? No wait, it's when Christ is or isn't at the right hand of God or is it when he's in God's body or when he was dead? No but wait, God cannot die unless he's the Christ and killed by humans, no but wait, humans cannot see God and live. Right? Oh now but wait, maybe it's when he was being babtized and God's voice or I mean Christ/Gods voice spoke from heaven and said something about his son or wait, was he just throwing his voice to make everyone think he was still in heaven sitting beside himself and speaking to himself ? Maybe it was that dang white dove playing tricks on us all..... That trinity is just so confusing I don't know what to think. I'm hoping that some day God/Jehovah/Jesus/nameless Holy Ghost, etc, will let me know what's going on...
Where in [b]1 Cor. 11:3 does it say that Christ and God are separate ?
That is a concept that you are inserting from your natural mind. You probably lack subjective experience of Christ dwelling in you.[/b]