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Harlot and the Wild Beast?

Harlot and the Wild Beast?

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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
You are full of baloney Jaywill,

Lol, oh Raj, you have brought a smile to my face, please no offence Jaywill, but he makes me laugh! for it is such an Americanism, baloney? what is that?
Baloney is a mixture of cheap cuts of ham, fat and flour. Its a cheap substitute for real ham.

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Originally posted by jaywill
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Cor 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
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You did not try to answer my question about (2 Cor. 3:17) You insulted me instead.

I know 11 year olds who would not be that r the separated Head of Christ ?

See if you can answer without making an insult.[/b]
See if you can asnwer this without rambling on like a madman.

Paul said God is the head of Christ.
Paul said Christ is subject to God.

What about those 2 sentences dont you understand?

Christ and God cannot be equal or the same.

As for that smarter minds comment... thats proof that you place the interpretations of man above the clear words of Paul. Thats how false doctrines arise.

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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
umm I am not seeing this, for it appears to me Conrad, that regardless of whether the ancient Coptics meant with the inclusion of the indefinite article to convey indefiniteness or not entirely paramount, for although the argument may be valid, it still does not negate that a clear distinction has been made.
Not necessarily. It could just be a peculiarity of Coptic. Perhaps Coptic requires the indefinite article when the noun is in the predicative position.

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Originally posted by daniel58
They are equal in Nature.
This is indeed part of the Trinitarian dogma. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three persons, with one nature. This means that the Father is God just as much as the Son and the Son just as much as the Holy Spirit. Thus, unlike in classical religions, there is no concept of a demi-god. However, this does not mean that the Father is the same as the Son. The Father and Son are different persons; they have different functions; and there is a priority of one over the other. In the Catholic Credo, for example, the Holy Spirit procedes 'from the Father and the Son'. Thus although they all share the divine Nature, they are not equal.

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Originally posted by Conrau K
This is indeed part of the Trinitarian dogma. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three persons, with one nature. This means that the Father is God just as much as the Son and the Son just as much as the Holy Spirit. Thus, unlike in classical religions, there is no concept of a demi-god. However, this does not mean that the Father is the same as the Son. Th ...[text shortened]... m the Father and the Son'. Thus although they all share the divine Nature, they are not equal.
Jesus is refered to as a god but he's never refered to as "Almighty God".
So Jesus is a god in respects to a physical human.
Satan is refered to as a god also in the Bible.

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Originally posted by galveston75
Well the head of Christ is God, but only when he was on earth. Or was it all the time or just when the Holy Ghost isn't around? No wait, it's when Christ is or isn't at the right hand of God or is it when he's in God's body or when he was dead? No but wait, God cannot die unless he's the Christ and killed by humans, no but wait, humans cannot see God an ...[text shortened]... e day God/Jehovah/Jesus/nameless Holy Ghost, etc, will let me know what's going on...
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Well the head of Christ is God, but only when he was on earth. Or was it all the time or just when the Holy Ghost isn't around? No wait, it's when Christ is or isn't at the right hand of God or is it when he's in God's body or when he was dead? No but wait, God cannot die unless he's the Christ and killed by humans, no but wait, humans cannot see God and live. Right? Oh now but wait, maybe it's when he was being babtized and God's voice or I mean Christ/Gods voice spoke from heaven and said something about his son or wait, was he just throwing his voice to make everyone think he was still in heaven sitting beside himself and speaking to himself ? Maybe it was that dang white dove playing tricks on us all..... That trinity is just so confusing I don't know what to think. I'm hoping that some day God/Jehovah/Jesus/nameless Holy Ghost, etc, will let me know what's going on...
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Don't be confused. Just call on the name of Jesus and receive Him.

"As many as received Him ...".

Call on the Lord Jesus, calling "O Lord Jesus. O Lord Jesus. I love You Lord Jesus".

The Father will not be offended. Neither will His feelings be hurt. If you open up your mouth and call from deep within "O Lord Jesus. Cleanse me in your precious blood from all my sins. Lord Jesus I receive You." You'll have the deep sense that Jehovah has NEVER been so happy with you.

If you call on the name of the Lord Jesus for five minutes you'll sense the Father's deep delight and your spirit will be on fire.

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Originally posted by Conrau K
This is indeed part of the Trinitarian dogma. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are three persons, with one nature. This means that the Father is God just as much as the Son and the Son just as much as the Holy Spirit. Thus, unlike in classical religions, there is no concept of a demi-god. However, this does not mean that the Father is the same as the Son. Th m the Father and the Son'. Thus although they all share the divine Nature, they are not equal.
Conrau,

I have a question for you. I believe that the Head of Christ is God. That is wonderful to me that the Head of Christ is God.

But if I believe that Head of Christ is God should I deny that as Jehovah says that He is the First and the Last, so also Jesus says that He is the First and the Last ?

Compare:

"And when I saw Him, I fell at His feet as dead; and He placed His right hand on me, saying, Do not fear; I am the First and the Last ..." (Rev. 1:17)

AND

"And to the messenger of the church in Smyrna write: These things says the First and the Last, who became dead and lived again ..." (Rev. 2:8)


BUT Jehovah in the Old Testament says:

"Thus says Jehovah the King of Israel, ... I am the First and I am the Last, And apart from Me there is no God." (Isaiah 44:6)

AND

"Listen to Me, O Jacob, And Israel, whom I called; I am He; I am the First, I am also the Last. Indeed My hand laid the foundation of the earth ..." (Isaiah 48:12)


Is it Okay that I believe both these set of passages ? I mean I would like to just believe ALL that is in the Bible.

Can I believe that Jehovah is the unique First and the Last and that Jesus is also the unique First and the Last ?

I believe that God is incarnate in Jesus. So this is still Jehovah speaking in the Son in Revelation. Is it okay for me, to in simplicity just accept both instances as the truth from God ?

I hope so. Otherwise, I'll have to imagine that there are TWO Firsts and TWO Lasts.

Praise this Wonderful and mysterious Triune God. Excuse me for asking this of you. I'm afraid that Rajk999 just won't understand that I want to believe that the Head of Christ is God and that He as Jehovah is the First and the Last.

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Originally posted by jaywill
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Well the head of Christ is God, but only when he was on earth. Or was it all the time or just when the Holy Ghost isn't around? No wait, it's when Christ is or isn't at the right hand of God or is it when he's in God's body or when he was dead? No but wait, God cannot die unless he's the Christ and killed by humans, ...[text shortened]... tes you'll sense the Father's deep delight and your spirit will be on fire.
Jay ole buddy...I'm not the one confused here and I think it might be something other then Jesus that's gotten in you. Just my opinion.

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Originally posted by galveston75
Jay ole buddy...I'm not the one confused here and I think it might be something other then Jesus that's gotten in you. Just my opinion.
Ya never answered my question, as far as I can see, if you believe that Jesus Christ is in you. You seem hesitant.

Maybe you have never received Jesus Christ and are unsure about really believing 2 Cor. 13:5.

Thanks to His sheer abundant MERCY, I have no doubt that Jesus Christ is in me. Tis Mercy all immense and free.

Call on the name of Jesus and tell Him that you desire that He would be within you, by the redeeming power of His precious blood.

Jehovah will be pleased and you'll know it too.

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Originally posted by jaywill
Ya never answered my question, as far as I can see, if you believe that Jesus Christ is in you. You seem hesitant.

Maybe you have never received Jesus Christ and are unsure about really believing [b] 2 Cor. 13:5.


Thanks to His sheer abundant MERCY, I have no doubt that Jesus Christ is in me. Tis Mercy all immense and free.

Call on the name ...[text shortened]... the redeeming power of His precious blood.

Jehovah will be pleased and you'll know it too.[/b]
I did answer you yesterday. But you haven't aswered me if you believe your saved or not?

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Originally posted by galveston75
I did answer you yesterday. But you haven't aswered me if you believe your saved or not?
Did you answer me? All I remember is you asking me what I meant.

Now as to your question AM I SAVED.

Yes. I am saved. I am also BEING saved. And in the future I will be saved.

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Originally posted by jaywill
Did you answer me? All I remember is you asking me what I meant.

Now as to your question AM I SAVED.

Yes. I [b]am
saved. I am also BEING saved. And in the future I will be saved.[/b]
So if your in a saved state, can you become unsaved?

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Originally posted by galveston75
Jesus is refered to as a god but he's never refered to as "Almighty God".
So Jesus is a god in respects to a physical human.
Satan is refered to as a god also in the Bible.
In the opening chapter of revelation who does John see in his vision? God uses the terms I'm the alpha & omega & this person in the vision uses the same language to describe himself? There is a problem here then? Almighty God calls himself the beginning and the end and so does Christ.


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I know this analogy breaks down but Look at water. It can be a solid a liquid & a gas yet it is still water. I know that trinity is not used in the bible but God has revealed to us how he wants us to see him. Colossians speaks about who Christ is. Colossians 1:15-23 I guess it's just how we look at it. Some see the majesty of Christ just littered throughout the New Testament others see it differently. Trying to understand the nature of God. We can ascertain but never fully comprehend. We are but dirt clods with eyeballs but for the grace of God. 🙂


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Originally posted by galveston75
So if your in a saved state, can you become unsaved?
As to one's eternal redemption? No.
As to the gift of eternal life. No.

Your eternal redemption is as secure as the existence of Christ Himself. You will be in the New Jerusalem in etenity.

You cannot avoid that. You may only postpone it for a little while and prolong your entrance. But once having been born of God you cannot be unborn and your destiny is sealed.

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