Has religion served its purpose?

@kellyjay said
When we look at things we are making, they either can do what is required of them or not. We get a choice to be what we were designed to be, those that belong to a Kingdom where love is the prime commandment, nothing short of that will be acceptable. We will be judged by what we do, we will also be acknowledged by who we know, we will be judged by the judgment we brought upo ...[text shortened]... rrow, we were bought with a very high price, what is to become of those who think so little of that?

I acknowledge that you have typed some text about your beliefs but I have asked you a specific question which was a response to what you said to me: KellyJay: "Exactly how do you figure what is in play is only a finite crime?" My response to you in this conversation: How long is each disbelieving human's life? It's a finite period of time, is it not?

@kellyjay said
1 Corinthians 6:20
For ye are bought with a price: therefore glorify God in your body, and in your spirit, which are God's.

Hebrews 2
For since the message declared by angels proved to be reliable, and every transgression or disobedience received a just retribution, how shall we escape if we neglect such a great salvation?

Is an infinite punishment for a finite "crime" morally coherent according to your moral compass?

@fmf said
How long is each disbelieving human's life? It's a finite period of time, is it not?

The effects of a finite crime last a lot longer and are more prevalent than I think you realize and may even have eternal consequences.

@fmf said
I acknowledge that you have typed some text about your beliefs but I have asked you a specific question which was a response to what you said to me: KellyJay: "Exactly how do you figure what is in play is only a finite crime?" My response to you in this conversation: How long is each disbelieving human's life? It's a finite period of time, is it not?

So a man, let’s call him John, abuses a young boy and then dies. Does the effect of John’s crime die with him? Or does it live on in the boy, let’s call him Joe, who may abuse others as a result of the abuse he received from John?

And Joe’s crimes don’t die with him. They live on in the children Joe abuses who may become abusers themselves.

See how this works?

The crimes of one man (John) aren’t all neat and tidy the way you seem to think.

@pb1022 said
The effects of a finite crime last a lot longer and are more prevalent than I think you realize and may even have eternal consequences.

Can you give an example of a long-lasting or even an eternal effect of, say, a person living through 50 years as a non-believer?

@fmf said
Can you give an example of a long-lasting or even an eternal effect of, say, a person living through 50 years as a non-believer?

How many sins during those 50 years did that person commit? Because all of those sins are unforgiven.

Ever hear of the butterfly effect?

@pb1022 said
So a man, let’s call him John, abuses a young boy and then dies. Does the effect of John’s crime die with him? Or does it live on in the boy, let’s call him Joe, who may abuse others as a result of the abuse he received from John?

And Joe’s crimes don’t die with him. They live on in the children Joe abuses who may become abusers themselves.

See how this works?

The crimes of one man (John) aren’t all neat and tidy the way you seem to think.

John can get eternal life if he sincerely "accepts Jesus as his personal saviour" on his deathbed, despite abusing children, according to your belief right?

@pb1022 said
Ever hear of the butterfly effect?

What would be the eternal "butterfly effect"" of my lack of belief?

@fmf said
John can get eternal life if he sincerely "accepts Jesus as his personal saviour" on his deathbed, despite abusing children, according to your belief right?

John’s sins can be forgiven via John 3:16 and Romans 10:9.

I believe John has to accept and believe in Jesus Christ and believe in His Resurrection to be saved (have his sins forgiven.)

Are you familiar with the story of the thief on the cross next to Jesus?

Are you familiar with the Parable of the Workers in the Vineyard?

Both of those address your question.

@fmf said
What would be the eternal "butterfly effect"" of my lack of belief?

Your lack of belief results in your sins not being forgiven. Your unforgiven sins are the issue, and they’re unforgiven because of your lack of belief.

@pb1022 said
Your lack of belief results in your sins not being forgiven. Your unforgiven sins are the issue, and they’re unforgiven because of your lack of belief.

And what is the "infinite crime" resulting from what you see as my "sins"?

@pb1022 said
I believe John has to accept and believe in Jesus Christ and believe in His Resurrection to be saved (have his sins forgiven.)

And how Joe being supposedly forgiven deal with the following:

"And Joe’s crimes don’t die with him. They live on in the children Joe abuses who may become abusers themselves."

@fmf said
Is an infinite punishment for a finite "crime" morally coherent according to your moral compass?

KellyJay, I am still interested in talking to you about this. Another poster has written some stuff but it sounds far-fetched and convoluted and it doesn't address the moral issue at all. So, feel free to tackle what I have asked you.

@fmf said
How long is each disbelieving human's life? It's a finite period of time, is it not?

There are crimes that even we put people aways for life and end those lives, there are crimes where once done specific words are now attached to that person such as murder, rapest. The types of things we do can also define us if we are found to be liars, thieves, hate mongers, prejudice, but the word that sums it all up would be sinner, which is someone who lives their lives practicing that which goes against their conscience or God's nature, instead of loving God and each other they do otherwise. The out was created for us by God, again at great cost to God, and if it is ignored, shunned, ridiculed, that adds to the list. It isn't a matter of how long something lasts concerning what we have done; once you murder someone your whole life after that, even here, that is what you are.

@fmf said
Surely it's your opinion versus his opinion? Unless you are saying that your opinion is not an opinion at all and is, instead, "the Word"?

We could find a Jr. high reading class on the topic and go over it; I suppose on telling the difference between a description of an actual event and a metaphor if you think that would help.