Has religion served its purpose?

@kellyjay said
telling the difference between a description of an actual event and a metaphor if you think that would help.

When you "tell" the difference between a description of an actual event and a metaphor, it's just your opinion, regardless of which "Jr. high reading class" you attended, right?

@kellyjay said
There are crimes that even we put people aways for life and end those lives, there are crimes where once done specific words are now attached to that person such as murder, rapest. The types of things we do can also define us if we are found to be liars, thieves, hate mongers, prejudice, but the word that sums it all up would be sinner, which is someone who lives their lives ...[text shortened]... t we have done; once you murder someone your whole life after that, even here, that is what you are.

Thanks for telling me this generic stuff about your notion of "sin". But I'd still like a point blank answer to my questions:

How long is each disbelieving human's life?

It's a finite period of time, is it not?

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Yeah, sure, it is all literal unless it's a metaphor that pretty much gives you more of an answer than I got from you. John goes through a vision, and God shows Him things, things are said and pointed out to Him, things are described to Him, questions and answers are given, events occur if there were parts of that were not true but used to convey an actual event through metaphoric means even those things were done to push a point, none of that would cause that book to be less than, but the fact that God gave Him that vision shows its importance, the whole thing.

@kellyjay said
The types of things we do can also define us if we are found to be liars, thieves, hate mongers, prejudice, but the word that sums it all up would be sinner

These "sins" you list are finite and not infinite, right?

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This is normal for you, leave the topic and discuss the person.

@fmf said
Can you give an example of a long-lasting or even an eternal effect of, say, a person living through 50 years as a non-believer?

You commit a crime against an eternal God; that crime is eternal, not temporary.

@fmf said
John can get eternal life if he sincerely "accepts Jesus as his personal saviour" on his deathbed, despite abusing children, according to your belief right?

If we are all eligible for God's grace for each sin paid for by Jesus Christ, yes, it is all forgiven when God calls us, and we answer. If it were any other way, who could stand?

@fmf said
KellyJay, I am still interested in talking to you about this. Another poster has written some stuff but it sounds far-fetched and convoluted and it doesn't address the moral issue at all. So, feel free to tackle what I have asked you.

I thought he was doing a good job; some crimes, some sins, effects go through time from generation to generation; they don't stop when they are done. They keep on causing harm, more hate, and more long-lasting effects, even in this temporary universe. The next one is eternal, someone who is willing and even defined by these types of actions given the ability to do those types of things you'd like to see as an eternal being who could throughout eternity cause this type of havoc?

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I have been speaking about context from the start, what we see in it, and you have been announcing it is all about reconciling things you don't like; the text itself isn't necessary; it is your views about how God should behave.

@kellyjay said
You commit a crime against an eternal God; that crime is eternal, not temporary.

This is merely an assertion.

A "sin" is an eternal crime because a "sin" is an eternal crime.

Simply making assertions of this kind does not tackle the moral incoherence of what you are claiming.

You are basically saying '...a crime against an eternal God is eternal because a crime against an eternal God is eternal.

Why not pile up more "evidence" of this kind by declaring that ...what I am saying is morally true because it is morally true?