Hovering between lies and delusional thinking

@fmf said
I understand the topic completely. And I understand the way you refer to "the truth" as if it is a rhetorical gimmick. Trump is lying repeatedly about how he supposedly won the 2020 election [by a landslide, no less] and those that buy into his lie are engaged in delusional thinking; are they two examples of "lies" and "delusional thinking" that you agree with, bearing in mind the thread title?

Again, you are speaking to "you refer" it is not the topic you are concerned about; it is the speaker. You are now bringing up Trump; what have I ever said about Him? I'm not a Trump apologist. Just stick to the topic; it doesn't matter what I think; I can be just as right or wrong about anything. You, it seems, don't care; as long as you can talk about "you," you can take shots at my truth, be we are not talking about my truth here, just the truth, period. What is true levels the playing field, so speaking about individuals isn't addressing the topic.

@kellyjay said
You are now bringing up Trump; what have I ever said about Him? I'm not a Trump apologist. Just stick to the topic; it doesn't matter what I think; I can be just as right or wrong about anything.

I am not asking you if you are a Trump apologist. I am asking you about the thread topic.

Is the Trump lie about the 2020 election and the delusional thinking [with regard to the 2020 election] of his followers an example of the kind of [1] lies and [2] delusional thinking you had in mind when you typed the OP and thread title?

@kellyjay said
What is true levels the playing field, so speaking about individuals isn't addressing the topic.

When it comes to almost all matters discussed on this forum, "what is true" is a matter of pure subjectivity and speculation. So what you or I may claim "is true" does not "level the playing field".

@kellyjay said
Just stick to the topic; it doesn't matter what I think; I can be just as right or wrong about anything.

I am sticking to the topic, KellyJay. Give some examples of "lies" and "delusional thinking" you had in mind when you penned the OP.

@fmf said
I am not asking you if you are a Trump apologist. I am asking you about the thread topic.

Is the Trump lie about the 2020 election and the delusional thinking [with regard to the 2020 election] of his followers an example of the kind of [1] lies and [2] delusional thinking you had in mind when you typed the OP and thread title?

Any truth, any false belief, any lie. What do you care what I had in mind? The words alone I choose speak or what I had in mind, read the op and stop trying to figure me out. You spend way too much time worrying about what people think than what they say.

@kellyjay said
Any truth, any false belief, any lie. What do you care what I had in mind?

Because you are effectively just running away from the discussion if you refuse to explain what you mean. What "truth" - that you believe in - "levels the playing field" for everyone? Give an example. Explain what you mean. Stop running away.

@kellyjay said
You spend way too much time worrying about what people think than what they say.

Is there, then, a difference between what you think and what you say?

@fmf said
Because you are effectively just running away from the discussion if you refuse to explain what you mean. What "truth" - that you believe in - "levels the playing field" for everyone? Give an example. Explain what you mean. Stop running away.

What truth do I believe does not matter in this discussion; if something is true and we believe otherwise, that is the topic. Not what does Kelly think and why? Stop acting as if you care about the OP; obviously, you don't.

@kellyjay said
What truth do I believe does not matter in this discussion; if something is true and we believe otherwise, that is the topic. Not what does Kelly think and why? Stop acting as if you care about the OP; obviously, you don't.

Why are you running away from a discussion you yourself started?

@kellyjay said
What truth do I believe does not matter in this discussion; if something is true and we believe otherwise, that is the topic.

Can you give an example of "something [that] is true" where "we believe otherwise"?

Can you give an example of "delusional thinking" ~ as intended by your OP?

@fmf said
Can you give an example of "something [that] is true" where "we believe otherwise"?

Can you give an example of "delusional thinking" ~ as intended by your OP?

BUMP for KellyJay

@fmf said
BUMP for KellyJay

We all have worldviews; everything we see, we have filters that say this means that those filters are shaped by what we accept as true and false. To be wrong in the fundamental truths of the universe causes us to not walk in the universe in the truth but one shaped as we have inaccurately deemed it.

Some truths don't matter much; three guys talking about the color of shirt a girl was wearing, for example, there is an actual proper answer, but it isn't going to harm or help anyone in the grand scheme of life; the vast majority of the times we know what color shirt someone has on.

Is my spouse faithful, are my employees stealing, I can have one more drink, I can drive having more drinks! These are personal truths that matter. We can have others of less consequence and more importance, like the meta-narrative for the universe; its story affects it all.

@kellyjay said
To be wrong in the fundamental truths of the universe causes us to not walk in the universe in the truth but one shaped as we have inaccurately deemed it.

Can you give some examples of "fundamental truths of the universe" that you think cause us "to not walk in the universe in the truth"?