25 Nov 12
Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou know this how? Seriously, the Creator knows what everything is made of, He
how can you burn death and hades, don't be silly!
knows how everything was put together, and He knows how to deal with it too. You
are seemly suggesting you have knowledge about things you could not possibly
know to suggest the text isn't what it says.
Kelly
25 Nov 12
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Originally posted by KellyJayWhat he meant was that you can not punish with torment something that has no feelings or emotions, such as an inorganic rock. But of course, punishment was not the purpose of casting death and hades into the lake of fire. He mistakenly thought that everything cast into the lake of fire was for punishment only. 😏
I don't know why you'd think inorganic or organic would matter in this case, since
God created everything and knows how to deal with each. If He chooses to use
a fire to burn them they will be burned.
Kelly
25 Nov 12
Originally posted by KellyJaysimply answer the question and you should realise how illogical and ludicrous it is to
You know this how? Seriously, the Creator knows what everything is made of, He
knows how everything was put together, and He knows how to deal with it too. You
are seemly suggesting you have knowledge about things you could not possibly
know to suggest the text isn't what it says.
Kelly
assert that death and Hades can be burned. Nor is it a question of having special
knowledge, its simply common sense. If you want to assert that death and hades can
be subject to literal burning then be my guest, ill simply chalk it up as another
crazeeeee teaching and btw its not about me, just saying, so please refrain from trying
to make it so with personal references to , how could you know, etc etc either offer an
explanation of how a figurative element like death or hades could be literally burnt or
keep me out of it.
25 Nov 12
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Originally posted by RJHindsNo that is not what i meant, clearly its a nonsense to speak of death and hades as literally being burned, therefore, it is clearl that their use and thus the use of the lake of fire is also figurative, its not a mistake, its simply common sense which you crazeees seem to be lacking.
What he meant was that you can not punish with torment something that has no feelings, such as an inorganic rock. But of course, punishment was not the purpose of casting death and hades into the lake of fire. He mistakenly thought that everything cast into the lake of fire was for punishment only. 😏
25 Nov 12
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Originally posted by RJHindshow are death and hades tormented for ever and ever, do tell. If they are not tormented, then why are they thrown into the lake of fire?
Yes, don't be silly. Eternal punishment means tormented day and night forever and ever. Eternal life means praise and joy day and night forever and ever.
HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord! Holy! Holy! Holy!
25 Nov 12
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou are still mistaken. There will be a new heaven and earth created where there will be no graves, death, or hell. But the second death, the place of eternal fire, must last forever and ever and can not be in the new heaven and earth. So the place for death and hell that we have in this world must be removed to the place of the second death.
how are death and hades tormented for ever and ever, do tell. If they are not tormented, then why are they thrown into the lake of fire?
"Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth passed away...and He will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there will no longer be any death; there will no longer be any mourning, or crying, or pain; the first things have passed away...He who overcomes will inherit these things, and I will be his God and he will be My son. But for the cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
(Revelation 21:1,4,7-8 NASB)
So we see death is not annihilated, but moved to the place of the second death.
25 Nov 12
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Originally posted by RJHindssorry you have FAILED to answer the question, why are death and Hades put into the lake of fire?
You are still mistaken. There will be a new heaven and earth created where there will be no graves, death, or hell. But the second death, the place of eternal fire, must last forever and ever and can not be in the new heaven and earth. So the place for death and hell that we have in this world must be removed to the place of the second death.
[b]"Then ...[text shortened]... ,4,7-8 NASB)
So we see death is not annihilated, but moved to the place of the second death.
let me answer it, simply because the lake of fire is symbolic of eternal destruction, there will be no more death.
25 Nov 12
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou did not pay attention to my last post. The lake of fire is the second death. So you might say that the first death and hades will be swallowed up by the second death, but there is still a place (the second death or lake of fire) were there is eternal torment of weeping and gnashing of teeth, as Jesus called it, that will last forever and ever.
sorry you have FAILED to answer the question, why are death and Hades put into the lake of fire?
let me answer it, simply because the lake of fire is symbolic of eternal destruction, there will be no more death.
P.S. To the believers in the new heaven and earth, death and hades are as good as destroyed, because such a place or idea will not exist and will not be remembered.
25 Nov 12
Originally posted by RJHindsbwhaha, crazeeeeeeee
You did not pay attention to my last post. The lake of fire is the second death. So you might say that the first death and hades will be swallowed up by the second death, but there is still a place (the second death or lake of fire) were there is eternal torment of weeping and gnashing of teeth, as Jesus called it, that will last forever and ever.
P.S. ...[text shortened]... re as good as destroyed, because such a place or idea will not exist and will not be remembered.
25 Nov 12
Originally posted by RJHindsPrincipalities, dominions, the demonic host and so on have an end....as far as
What he meant was that you can not punish with torment something that has no feelings or emotions, such as an inorganic rock. But of course, punishment was not the purpose of casting death and hades into the lake of fire. He mistakenly thought that everything cast into the lake of fire was for punishment only. 😏
feelings and emotions go....what does it matter....I've throw away a lot of things
and burn them up that doesn't have a use any more, and part of the old world
where sin had it's sway, all of the causes of sin, sinners, and the results of it will
be dealt with and be no more, it doesn't require feelings or a need to torment it
to be cast away into the that lake.
Kelly
25 Nov 12
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Originally posted by robbie carrobieYou know they cannot should strike you as equally ludicrous when the scripture
simply answer the question and you should realise how illogical and ludicrous it is to
assert that death and Hades can be burned. Nor is it a question of having special
knowledge, its simply common sense. If you want to assert that death and hades can
be subject to literal burning then be my guest, ill simply chalk it up as another
crazeeee ...[text shortened]... of how a figurative element like death or hades could be literally burnt or
keep me out of it.
says what their end is, it does not matter that they "FEEL" anything if they do,
they do, what matters is that the old is being done away with and all of the results
of sin from the causes, and effects. Process, places, powers, principalities,
dominions, demons, the old is going to be cast away. Evil is nothing more than
a speed bump in eternity, a dreadful one, but in the end God's desires and
purposes will be done. Tne need for somethings will simply be no more and they
will be cast away.
Kelly