26 May 22
@divegeester saidAs I said dreams and visions can have anything in them and make a point about reality.
Because strange flying creatures made of lions and locusts (or whatever it is) and beasts with lots of heads and horns being ridden by blood-soaked whores are never going to exist KellyJay.
You think these things exist, but gravity, as explained by science, doesn’t.
Do you ever stop and think about how that might be perceived by non Christians making an assessment of you and the validity of your brand of Christianity?
Concerning gravity I never said it is not real only thing I pointed out is we know what it does not what it is or and simply but knowing what it does, doesn’t tell us where it came from. You dispute that then answer the questions.
26 May 22
@divegeester saidThere is Christ crucified everything else you can get from good self help seminars. If you think that the gospel has to be sugarcoated to be acceptable you fail to take Jesus crucified seriously, that is the gospel.
Because strange flying creatures made of lions and locusts (or whatever it is) and beasts with lots of heads and horns being ridden by blood-soaked whores are never going to exist KellyJay.
You think these things exist, but gravity, as explained by science, doesn’t.
Do you ever stop and think about how that might be perceived by non Christians making an assessment of you and the validity of your brand of Christianity?
27 May 22
@kellyjay saidNo. The gospel as I understand it is one of victory not failure, one where God saves the many not the “few”. One where God is sovereign over his creation, not subject to Satan’s interference.
There is Christ crucified everything else you can get from good self help seminars. If you think that the gospel has to be sugarcoated to be acceptable you fail to take Jesus crucified seriously, that is the gospel.
27 May 22
@divegeester saidIt is about righteousness, not numbers.
No. The gospel as I understand it is one of victory not failure, one where God saves the many not the “few”. One where God is sovereign over his creation, not subject to Satan’s interference.
27 May 22
@divegeester saidGod is Spirit. You can dance around that any way you like. You can by saying how
Kellyjay this thread is asking one simple question which you still don’t want to answer.
how many spirits are there in the trinity?
Not beings
Not Gods
Spirits?
many Gods there are, and the answer is One; the same answer goes with the Spirit
of God, you can also say Father, Son, Holy Spirit, which is three who are One.
You don't accept that; it is the Trinity, the nature of God, which is far more complex
then our natural world, and why wouldn't it be?
27 May 22
@divegeester saidGod is putting everything under Christ's feet; that has happened but the day that
No. The gospel as I understand it is one of victory not failure, one where God saves the many not the “few”. One where God is sovereign over his creation, not subject to Satan’s interference.
Satan is put out of creation into the place prepared for him has not happened yet.
More than a few things have to happen first. The gospel is a victory; Jesus won. He
did it in such a way that Satan did his worst to Him here, and through his worse
Christ won, destroying the separation between God and man, but not all of mankind
cares, they reject Jesus as Lord and Savior, and you think that is acceptable to God
or Jesus, you don't think the warnings in scripture matter?
27 May 22
@kellyjay saidThanks for the general explanation.
God is Spirit. You can dance around that any way you like. You can by saying how
many Gods there are, and the answer is One; the same answer goes with the Spirit
of God, you can also say Father, Son, Holy Spirit, which is three who are One.
You don't accept that; it is the Trinity, the nature of God, which is far more complex
then our natural world, and why wouldn't it be?
Specifically, explicitly, unequivocally many spirits are there in the trinity…
One ?
Two ?
three ?
Lol this is funny stuff watching you duck and dive because cannot say.
27 May 22
@kellyjay saidKellyJay the bottom lines of the story are these:
God is putting everything under Christ's feet; that has happened but the day that
Satan is put out of creation into the place prepared for him has not happened yet.
More than a few things have to happen first. The gospel is a victory; Jesus won. He
did it in such a way that Satan did his worst to Him here, and through his worse
Christ won, destroying the separation betwe ...[text shortened]... and you think that is acceptable to God
or Jesus, you don't think the warnings in scripture matter?
Your version of God only saved a few, mine saves many
Your version of god cannot overcome Satan to change this, mine does
Your version of god then chooses to take out his vengeance on the poor souls he was unable to save, mine doesn’t
It’s pretty clear that your version of Jesus is a failure.
27 May 22
@divegeester saidMy answer is telling you what the Trinity is as you ask; it isn't anything but giving
Thanks for the general explanation.
Specifically, explicitly, unequivocally many spirits are there in the trinity…
One ?
Two ?
three ?
Lol this is funny stuff watching you duck and dive because cannot say.
you the truth of scripture. I don't think your explanation can explain how the
scripture describes God when you go into the details of God's interaction with the
Father, Son, Holy Spirit, and man. We will examine your explanation of the nature of
God and see how unequivocally yours stands up to explaining God.
@divegeester said"Few" is the exact word the Bible uses to describe those who are saved.
No. The gospel as I understand it is one of victory not failure, one where God saves the many not the “few”. One where God is sovereign over his creation, not subject to Satan’s interference.
"Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it." -- Matthew 7:13-14, KJV
Jesus did not come to save everyone, only those who choose to be saved. Jesus' salvation is NOT "automatic".
You put far too much on God "winning" in the Trumpian sense.
27 May 22
@divegeester saidThe bottom line is that everyone can be saved, but not everyone cares or wants to
KellyJay the bottom lines of the story are these:
Your version of God only saved a few, mine saves many
Your version of god cannot overcome Satan to change this, mine does
Your version of god then chooses to take out his vengeance on the poor souls he was unable to save, mine doesn’t
It’s pretty clear that your version of Jesus is a failure.
be saved, not everyone wants God ruling over them, and you think God will force
that on them, and will force them into His Kingdom when they love their sins more
than righteousness, love, grace, mercy and are thankful for the sacrifice Jesus made
on their behalf?
It isn't a matter of our versions; it is what the scriptures say, unlike an opinion on
reality, scripture is the only source of truth for such things as this discussion and
if you cannot back what you are saying with text, it is nothing but an opinion about
something you cannot point to a reason for it outside of this is what you'd like to
think is going on.
27 May 22
@kellyjay saidNo, the bottom line is
The bottom line is that everyone can be saved
Your version of God only saved a few, mine saves many
Your version of god cannot overcome Satan to change this, mine does
Your version of god then chooses to take out his vengeance on the poor souls he was unable to save, mine doesn’t
That is the bottom line kellyjay. Those are facts, based on your version of god, and there are irrefutable.
27 May 22
@divegeester saidYour version is just that, your version; nothing in scripture backs up what you are
No, the bottom line is
Your version of God only saved a few, mine saves many
Your version of god cannot overcome Satan to change this, mine does
Your version of god then chooses to take out his vengeance on the poor souls he was unable to save, mine doesn’t
That is the bottom line kellyjay. Those are facts, based on your version of god, and there are irrefutable.
saying it is all your version, which is why I said, you correct the Bible.