Originally posted by @kellyjay
2 Corinthians 1:21-22
21 And it is God who establishes us with you in Christ, and has anointed us, 22 and who
has also put his seal on us and given us his Spirit in our hearts as a guarantee.
Acts 5:32
And we are witnesses to these things, and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God has given to
those who obey him.”
Romans 5:5
and hope does not put us to shame, because God's love has been poured into our
hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us.
1 Corinthians 2:12
Now we have received not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, that we
might understand the things freely given us by God.
Very good.
The Apostle Peter pronounces that God is going to judge Ananias and Sapphire.
He only says death is their punishment, not the loss of eternal salvation.
"And Peter said to her, Why is it that it was agreed between you two to test the Spirit of the Lord?
Behold, the feet of those who have buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out.
And she fell down instantly at his feet and expired. And the young men came in and found her dead, and buried her with his husband.
And great fear came upon the whole church and upon all those who heard these things." (Acts. 5:9-11)
A sharp lesson was taught them and the church in Jerusalem and all who have read this ever since. God's attitude has not changed though He may not do the same thing each time.
Now, WHERE in there, Rajk999, does it say that they lost the gift of eternal life ? Where does it say they lost their eternal redemption though they died prematurely?
Why didn't Peter tell them that ?
17 Jun 18
Originally posted by @fmfYes, an example of loving those around you. Unlike the world too, He wants us to love not
God wants you to invite the poor, the maimed, the lame, and the blind ~ and not ones who are family and friends or neighbours - and He wants you to feed them without any compensation or reward, right? That's an example of "good works that God is looking for", isn't it?
only the poor, maimed, lame, blind but everyone else. His example towards us is to also love
the unlovely, those that do not deserve it in human terms, because all of us were forgiven
by him when we were dead in our sins, we didn't deserve it, and were unable or even
unwilling to make amends for the wrong we have done. His example is completely against
what we see in the world.
17 Jun 18
Originally posted by @kellyjayIf an atheist has to tell you how to do good works and live righteously, [quote the scripture as well for you], something you said you do not know about ie what to do and how much to do, then your church teachings are worthless, your religion is vain, and your faith is dead. Go fix that.
Yes, an example of loving those around you. Unlike the world too, He wants us to love not
only the poor, maimed, lame, blind but everyone else. His example towards us is to also love
the unlovely, those that do not deserve it in human terms, because all of us were forgiven
by him when we were dead in our sins, we didn't deserve it, and were unable or ev ...[text shortened]... amends for the wrong we have done. His example is completely against
what we see in the world.
17 Jun 18
Originally posted by @rajk999Really, you have a scripture in the Bible that says, "Atheist will enter the Kingdom of God"
If an atheist has to tell you how to do good works and live righteously, [quote the scripture as well for you], something you said you do not know about ie what to do and how much to do, then your church teachings are worthless, your religion is vain, and your faith is dead. Go fix that.
what book, chapter, and verse can I find that?
17 Jun 18
Originally posted by @kellyjayQ : Who did Jesus say will enter the Kingdom of God?
Really, you have a scripture in the Bible that says, "Atheist will enter the Kingdom of God"
what book, chapter, and verse can I find that?
A :All who do good works
But when the Son of man shall come .. . the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for I was hungry, and ye gave me to eat; I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink; I was a stranger, and ye took me in; naked, and ye clothed me; I was sick, and ye visited me; I was in prison, and ye came unto me. (Matthew 25:31-36 ASV)
Jesus sits on the side of the road in need and those who help are those worthy to enter the Kingdom of God.
Jesus will reward these with eternal life - all types of people including atheists.
Professions of faith and proclaiming to walk out your faith is worth nothing.
Originally posted by @rajk999But you have to help Christians and need not just anybody.
Q : Who did Jesus say will enter the Kingdom of God?
A :All who do good works
[i]But when the Son of man shall come .. . the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for I was hungry, and ye gave me to eat; I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink; I was a s ...[text shortened]... cluding atheists.
Professions of faith and proclaiming to walk out your faith is worth nothing.
17 Jun 18
Originally posted by @rbhillOh .. of course you are correct. It says that here:.. make sure you are helping Christians only
But you have to help Christians and need not just anybody.
A certain man was going down from Jerusalem to Jericho; and he fell among robbers, who both stripped him and beat him, and departed, leaving him half dead.
And by chance a certain priest was going down that way: and when he saw him, he realised that the man was not a Christian so he passed by on the other side. And in like manner a Levite also, when he came to the place, and saw him, realizing that he as not born again he passed by on the other side.
But a certain Samaritan, as he journeyed, came where he was: and when he saw him, neglected to ask him if he was a Christian but he was still he was moved with compassion, and came to him, and bound up his wounds, pouring on them oil and wine; and he set him on his own beast, and brought him to an inn, and took care of him. And on the morrow he took out two shillings, and gave them to the host, and said, Take care of him; and whatsoever thou spendest more, I, when I come back again, will repay thee.
Which of these three, thinkest thou, proved neighbor unto him that fell among the robbers?
Jesus said that the Samaritan should have asked before helping the man. Do not do like the Samaritan. Be like the priest and Levite.
Originally posted by @rajk999What did Jesus say about those that deny Him? You have to look at all scripture in light of all scripture, hunting and picking out ones that suits what you want has to do with you not the Word of God!
Q : Who did Jesus say will enter the Kingdom of God?
A :All who do good works
[i]But when the Son of man shall come .. . the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for I was hungry, and ye gave me to eat; I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink; I was a s ...[text shortened]... cluding atheists.
Professions of faith and proclaiming to walk out your faith is worth nothing.
Originally posted by @kellyjayThere are two kinds of denial.
What did Jesus say about those that deny Him? You have to look at all scripture in light of all scripture, hunting and picking out ones that suits what you want has to do with you not the Word of God!
Deny in words
Deny in works.
Professions of faith in Christ is WORDS
Faith with no works is also a denial of Christ.
What a man says is nothing.
Jesus is looking for those who pick him up
Feed and clothe him
Help him in need
These are good works stated in Matt 25.
The man who denies Jesus is the man who passes by without helping.
Same for you .. dont pick out only that one passage about walking with Christ Spirit and other such nonsense. Walking with Christ = Doing Good works which you deny.
You are a dangerous denier .. the denier in deed.
You profess with your mouth but your works are not in Christ.
Why ? Because you do not even know what good works are.
An atheist has to tell you ... Shameless
They profess that they know God; but by their works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate. (Titus 1:16 ASV)
17 Jun 18
Originally posted by @rajk999Well I agree with you about denial, both words and works. So, an Atheist denies the Lord
There are two kinds of denial.
Deny in words
Deny in works.
Professions of faith in Christ is WORDS
Faith with no works is also a denial of Christ.
What a man says is nothing.
Jesus is looking for those who pick him up
Feed and clothe him
Help him in need
These are good works stated in Matt 25.
The man who denies Jesus is the man who passes ...[text shortened]... him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate. (Titus 1:16 ASV)[/b]
in both, in words they profess they know not the Lord and do not believe in Him to even
acknowledge Him let alone make Him their Lord so they fail there. Since they have not
been born of the Spirit, they are walking in the flesh, and there we know that if you are
not walking in the Spirit, you are walking in the flesh, and one who does cannot please
God, because they are walking in the flesh. Jesus said deny Him, He will deny us, they
unquestionably deny him in Word!
I also agree that faith without works is dead, that isn't the question here. What is in
question is your saying despite Jesus saying, those that deny Him He will deny before
the Father, that they will somehow be accepted according to your words not Jesus' going
against what Jesus said, since He said He was going to deny them.
I don't deny those following Jesus will do good works, I can agree whole hardly that is
true and I can agree that if you don't love those around you and God, you are not obeying
both the first and second great commandments Jesus gave us. Atheist deny the
Father so they break the first Commandment of loving God since they deny Him.
I don't deny doing good works, please don't lie about that, you cannot show me a single
time I have ever said that. I've been here over 14 years, and you can search all my
text and you will never see me say that.
Are you an Atheist, suggesting you must tell me this as an Atheist?
I'm only denying anyone who doesn't know the Lord is going to be saved, because that is
what the scripture teaches, I don't care what any Atheist say about that!
17 Jun 18
Originally posted by @rajk999ESV Titus 3:
There are two kinds of denial.
Deny in words
Deny in works.
Professions of faith in Christ is WORDS
Faith with no works is also a denial of Christ.
What a man says is nothing.
Jesus is looking for those who pick him up
Feed and clothe him
Help him in need
These are good works stated in Matt 25.
The man who denies Jesus is the man who passes ...[text shortened]... him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate. (Titus 1:16 ASV)[/b]
4 But when the goodness and loving kindness of God our Savior appeared, 5 he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, 6 whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, 7 so that being justified by his grace we might become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
We are not saved due to works we do, but because of God's own mercy, we are indeed
justified by His grace. This is a solid foundation, we will do good works as a result of the
gift of God, not to earn God's favor.
17 Jun 18
Originally posted by @kellyjayWrong. it is possible for someone who knows no God to do good works that please God.
Well I agree with you about denial, both words and works. So, an Atheist denies the Lord
in both, in words they profess they know not the Lord and do not believe in Him to even
acknowledge Him let alone make Him their Lord so they fail there. Since they have not
been born of the Spirit, they are walking in the flesh, and there we know that if you are ...[text shortened]... ved, because that is
what the scripture teaches, I don't care what any Atheist say about that!