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Originally posted by @thinkofone
Clearly you didn't understand Ezekiel 18:23 even though you referenced it. You could at least acknowledge this fact.

The gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry is a logical extension of the concepts God espoused in Ezekiel 18. Jesus even references it in the following:
<<Matthew 16
27“For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Fa ...[text shortened]... committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.>>

You believe in a different gospel.
Yes, the world is condemn, that is every man, woman, and child with sin. Well aware of this, and
we will all be rewarded for our deeds, those done in the Spirit, and those not done in the
Spirit. We will also be judged by God for every word and deed we do, and we will also
be judged by our own words and deeds too. We only have one hope to avoid this very
horrible fate, Jesus Christ not our ability to do good.

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Originally posted by @kellyjay
Yes, the world is condemn, that is every man, woman, and child with sin. Well aware of this, and
we will all be rewarded for our deeds, those done in the Spirit, and those not done in the
Spirit. We will also be judged by God for every word and deed we do, and we will also
be judged by our own words and deeds too. We only have one hope to avoid this very
horrible fate, Jesus Christ not our ability to do good.
We only have one hope to avoid this very horrible fate, Jesus Christ not our ability to do good.

In Ezekiel 18 God said otherwise as did Jesus in the gospel He preached during His ministry. It's unfortunate that you refuse to deal honestly with these facts. They both call their would be followers to become righteous. That is, to cease to sin and do good.

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Originally posted by @kellyjay
Yes, the world is condemn, that is every man, woman, and child with sin. Well aware of this, and
we will all be rewarded for our deeds, those done in the Spirit, and those not done in the
Spirit. We will also be judged by God for every word and deed we do, and we will also
be judged by our own words and deeds too. We only have one hope to avoid this very
horrible fate, Jesus Christ not our ability to do good.
Jesus said your eternal life is based on you DOING GOOD
Jesus said your condemnation is based on you DOING EVIL.

You are saying the opposite

Are you really that dense or has your church indoctrination removed your ability to think clearly.

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Originally posted by @rajk999
Jesus said your eternal life is based on you DOING GOOD
Jesus said your condemnation is based on you DOING EVIL.

You are saying the opposite

Are you really that dense or has your church indoctrination removed your ability to think clearly.
We are saved by grace to do the works of God, all of our works will be judged, every single
word we speak we will give an account for. All works that were done without the Spirit of
God will be due to the flesh, and in the flesh nothing done will be acceptable to God, so all
of those you claim will receive forgiveness if they don't have God's Spirit are going to Hell
without exception, it doesn't matter what they do, whatever they do will not be enough.

Then those that are walking in the Spirit, will also receive judgment for the works they
do, and will hear enter in. Its not hard to follow if you read the whole Bible not just a few
pet verses.

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Originally posted by @thinkofone
[b]We only have one hope to avoid this very horrible fate, Jesus Christ not our ability to do good.

In Ezekiel 18 God said otherwise as did Jesus in the gospel He preached during His ministry. It's unfortunate that you refuse to deal honestly with these facts. They both call their would be followers to become righteous. That is, to cease to sin and do good.[/b]
You want to rest in your good works before God, you will do so to your own destruction.
If you accept God's forgiveness and do the works He has for you, great.

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Originally posted by @rajk999
Jesus said your eternal life is based on you DOING GOOD
Jesus said your condemnation is based on you DOING EVIL.

You are saying the opposite

Are you really that dense or has your church indoctrination removed your ability to think clearly.
John 3
16 “For God so loved the world,[i] that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. 19 And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. 20 For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. 21 But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God.”

Jesus and you have different opinions on condemnation.

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Originally posted by @kellyjay
John 3
16 “For God so loved the world,[i] that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. 18 Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned alread ...[text shortened]... s works have been carried out in God.”

Jesus and you have different opinions on condemnation.
You really need to consider what you just quoted is actually saying:
20 For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. 21 But whoever does what is true comes to the light, so that it may be clearly seen that his works have been carried out in God.”

EVERYONE who does wicked things - that is, who commits sin - "hates the light and does not come to the light".

You keep citing verses and passages that speak against the gospel that you believe in.

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Originally posted by @kellyjay
We are saved by grace to do the works of God, all of our works will be judged, every single
word we speak we will give an account for. All works that were done without the Spirit of
God will be due to the flesh, and in the flesh nothing done will be acceptable to God, so all
of those you claim will receive forgiveness if they don't have God's Spirit are ...[text shortened]... ll hear enter in. Its not hard to follow if you read the whole Bible not just a few
pet verses.
SAVED
is not the same as
ETERNAL LIFE

They are two different things.

Paul in Ephesians 2 told Christian Saints they are saved by grace.
He did not say they had eternal life

Later on in Ephesians 5 he said that they will only inherit the Kingdom of God
IF THEY LIVED RIGHTEOUSLY

Therefore ALL are saved by grace
Not all will enter the Kingdom of God

You keep regurgitating your church doctrine.
Nobody is interested in that.
Please tell us THE WHOLE STORY of what Jesus and the Apostles said.

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Originally posted by @kellyjay
You want to rest in your good works before God, you will do so to your own destruction.
If you accept God's forgiveness and do the works He has for you, great.
In Ezekiel 18 God said otherwise as did Jesus in the gospel He preached during His ministry. It's unfortunate that you refuse to deal honestly with these facts. They both call their would be followers to become righteous. That is, to cease to sin and do good.

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Originally posted by @rajk999
SAVED
is not the same as
ETERNAL LIFE

They are two different things.

Paul in Ephesians 2 told Christian Saints they are saved by grace.
He did not say they had eternal life

Later on in Ephesians 5 he said that they will only inherit the Kingdom of God
IF THEY LIVED RIGHTEOUSLY

Therefore ALL are saved by grace
Not all will enter the Kingdom ...[text shortened]... body is interested in that.
Please tell us THE WHOLE STORY of what Jesus and the Apostles said.
I disagree with you here too, but we will have to leave that for another time.

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Originally posted by @kellyjay
I disagree with here too, but we will have to leave that for another time.
Disagree all you like.
I presented no opinions.
'Just the words of Paul

Saved by Grace in Ephesians 2
Inherit the Kingdom of God in Ephesians 5

Two different things. Read it.
Whether you agree with Paul or not is you choice.

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Originally posted by @thinkofone
In Ezekiel 18 God said otherwise as did Jesus in the gospel He preached during His ministry. It's unfortunate that you refuse to deal honestly with these facts. They both call their would be followers to become righteous. That is, to cease to sin and do good.
I have never said not to cease from sin, please do not accuse me of that. I have said that
according to scripture only by following a life in the Spirit can we not fulfill the lusts of the
flesh. I have said that we need to turn our lives over to God and turn away from sin. I
have said that we can love sin or God, we cannot have pet sins that we want to hang on
too and claim we choose God over sin, we cannot claim to love God and hate people
in this world.

You are confusing two different things, how we get right with God and how we are to walk
with Him. Saying we are saved by what God did for us, does not dispel anything about
our following after God. You can claim to do a million good works, but if you are not right
with God it will not matter, and you can only get right with God by the Way God setup
not some activities of our own making or devices.

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Originally posted by @kellyjay
I have never said not to cease from sin, please do not accuse me of that. I have said that
according to scripture only by following a life in the Spirit can we not fulfill the lusts of the
flesh. I have said that we need to turn our lives over to God and turn away from sin. I
have said that we can love sin or God, we cannot have pet sins that we want to ...[text shortened]... only get right with God by the Way God setup
not some activities of our own making or devices.
I have never said not to cease from sin, please do not accuse me of that.

I never accused you of anything of the sort.

Seems like you may have not considered the full context of my prior post before you decided what I meant, so I'll rephrase:

In Ezekiel 18 God said otherwise as did Jesus in the gospel He preached during His ministry. It's unfortunate that you refuse to deal honestly with these facts. They both call their would be followers to become righteous, i.e., to cease to sin and do good. This is a requirement for "eternal life" / to "live in the Kingdom".

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Originally posted by @kellyjay
I have never said not to cease from sin, please do not accuse me of that. I have said that
according to scripture only by following a life in the Spirit can we not fulfill the lusts of the
flesh. I have said that we need to turn our lives over to God and turn away from sin. I
have said that we can love sin or God, we cannot have pet sins that we want to ...[text shortened]... only get right with God by the Way God setup
not some activities of our own making or devices.
You keep missing the main point.
God is the judge of who is doing good works
God is the judge of who is right with Him.
Faith does not make one right with God

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Originally posted by @thinkofone
[b]I have never said not to cease from sin, please do not accuse me of that.

I never accused you of anything of the sort.

Seems like you may have not considered the full context of my prior post before you decided what I meant, so I'll rephrase:

In Ezekiel 18 God said otherwise as did Jesus in the gospel He preached during His ministry. It's ...[text shortened]... o cease to sin and do good. This is a requirement for "eternal life" / to "live in the Kingdom".[/b]
I pointed out to you that walking in the Spirit is the way God has given us to not walk in the flesh. Not our ability to remain sinless on our own. It is through God we are saved, it is through God we are able to avoid sin.

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