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Originally posted by @eladarMaybe you take pride in being a kind of "plain spoken" man of few words. Perhaps that is your culture. Maybe you fancy yourself as keeping things simple.
So are you going to answer my question or simply try to play both sides of the fence?
I like a man of few words too, sometimes. But some of these things require more than a scant plain spoken Gary Cooper like few.
If you're not willing to get into some of the depths of these matters, I won't waste any more time with you.
Keep your simple few, if you don't want to carefully get into the matter. If the matter were that simple then maybe the book of Romans would just have had two to four chapters instead of the sixteen that Paul wrote as a basic outlay of the Christian faith.
16 Jun 18
Originally posted by @sonshipIf you can't say what you need to say in few words you do not understand the subject.
Maybe you take pride in being a kind of "plain spoken" man of few words. Perhaps that is your culture. Maybe you fancy yourself as keeping things simple.
I like a man of few words too, sometimes. But some of these things require more than a scant plain spoken Gary Cooper like few.
If you're not willing to get into some of the depths of these matters, ...[text shortened]... o four chapters instead of the sixteen that Paul wrote as a basic outlay of the Christian faith.
16 Jun 18
Phillipians 2
Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, 13 for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose
16 Jun 18
Originally posted by @eladarWe workout what God is doing in heart. According to man's wisdom this is foolishness.
Phillipians 2
Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation with fear and trembling, 13 for it is God who works in you to will and to act in order to fulfill his good purpose
16 Jun 18
Originally posted by @rajk999Isn't your entire schtick that you will be judged by your deeds, and thus atheists have equal shots at heaven?
The elect is taken up to be with Christ.
These do not need to be judged
These rule with Christ for the 1000 yrs
All Christians are NOT ELECT
But, suddenly, the centrality of your message of being judged based on deeds falls out, and the elect will not be judged?
16 Jun 18
Originally posted by @philokaliaYou are kind of slow. Not to worry. You will get it in a few years.
Isn't your entire schtick that you will be judged by your deeds, and thus atheists have equal shots at heaven?
But, suddenly, the centrality of your message of being judged based on deeds falls out, and the elect will not be judged?
Ask me to explain it in a nice way and I will.
16 Jun 18
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Originally posted by @thinkofoneWho did Christ come to save, those with just good fruits?
[b]This shows that God is working and hoping that the tree will indeed produce fruit, time is
granted towards this end.
Yes. As I wrote earlier:
<<If you are thinking of Luke 13 and the parable of the fig tree, that only speaks to allowing some time for a tree to become "good". But unless and until that tree does become "good", Jesus will say, ...[text shortened]... , shouldn't what Jesus is teaching in Matthew 7:13-23 and Luke 13:23-28 supersede those beliefs?[/b]
16 Jun 18
Originally posted by @rajk999Do you just make this stuff up, please produce someone here who has said, not to bother
Nonsense. OSAS basically are telling people not to bother to do good works and not to follow the commandments of Christ.
That pal, is a very dangerous position to take. You are contrary to Christ.
You quote Christ when it suits your purpose like what you are doing now.
to do good works and not follow the commandments of Christ!
16 Jun 18
Originally posted by @kellyjayI dont need to produce any such evidence.
Do you just make this stuff up, please produce someone here who has said, not to bother
to do good works and not follow the commandments of Christ!
If you tell a man that he is saved eternally by professions of faith.
That not even God can remove his name from the book of life
Then that is the equivalent of saying to the man not to worry with good works
and following the commandments.
Jesus never said anyone is saved eternally
Except for the sheep of Christ who hear his voice and follow him
Jesus told people to do good works and follow the commandments
Otherwise there is no eternal life.
Dont ask again. I wont be answering
16 Jun 18
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Originally posted by @kellyjayWill those who produce bad fruits enter the Kingdom of God. The answer is NO.
Who did Christ come to save, those with just good fruits?
Jesus came so that all can have eternal life.
Many / All [by some accounts in the Bible] are saved from their sins
Not all the saved will enter the Kingdom of God.
16 Jun 18
Originally posted by @rajk999Jesus came to save the world, not condemn it.
Will those who produce bad fruits enter the Kingdom of God. The answer is NO.
Jesus came so that all can have eternal life.
Many / All [by some accounts in the Bible] are saved from their sins
Not all the saved will enter the Kingdom of God.
Most likely, all are saved.
16 Jun 18
Originally posted by @chaney3All are saved BUT not all will enter the Kingdom of God.
Jesus came to save the world, not condemn it.
Most likely, all are saved.
Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. (Revelation 22:14-15 KJV)
16 Jun 18
Originally posted by @rajk999Rajk!
You are kind of slow. Not to worry. You will get it in a few years.
Ask me to explain it in a nice way and I will.
I think you just did a bad deed -- you showed anger and offered up insults to a fellow Christian.
What does this mean for your salvation?
Or, as per the question, are you not subject to the judgment because you are the elect?