If OSAS is in the Bible.

Originally posted by @sonship
[quote] 1 Corinthians 4

Now it is required that those who have been given a trust must prove faithful. 3 I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself. 4 My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me. 5 Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait ...[text shortened]... e.

It is not about the security or lack therefore of his eternal redemption and eternal life.

Keep repeating the lie. I suppose you are just manifesting what is in your heart.

Originally posted by @eladar
We, as you agree, are imperfect with imperfect perception and can be incorrect in our belief of being saved.

Any one of us could be deceived in our belief concerning salvation.

I have admitted as such in a reply to you earlier which went unaddressed. Ultimately all we know is that we exist. Nothing beyond than can be 100% certain. We have faith and therefore trust that we are saved.

Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
I have admitted as such in a reply to you earlier which went unaddressed. Ultimately all we know is that we exist. Nothing beyond than can be 100% certain. We have faith and therefore trust that we are saved.

But that does not mean you are saved.

So although once saved always saved is true, in application our human perspective makes it meaningless.

Look at all the false Christians out there claiming Christ. They feel confident of their salvation as well. Is it going to do them any good?

I assume of course saved means those who will be found righteous by Jesus' sacrifice.

Originally posted by @eladar
But that does not mean you are saved.

So although once saved always saved is true, in application our human perspective makes it meaningless.

Look at all the false Christians out there claiming Christ. They feel confident of their salvation as well. Is it going to do them any good?

I assume of course saved means those who will be found righteous by Jesus' sacrifice.

If we know for a fact we are saved, then there is no such thing as faith.

Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
If we know for a fact we are saved, then there is no such thing as faith.

I suppose then that when one teaches OSAS one is teaching faith in salvation as a main purpose for being a Christian.

Seems to me that if you make OSAS a major issue you place emphasis on self as opposed to life in Christ.

Given the screwed up nature of human perspective teaching Christ and truth concerning good and evil is the proper discussion. OSAS is just useless division.

Originally posted by @eladar
I suppose then that when one teaches OSAS one is teaching faith in salvation as a main purpose for being a Christian.

Seems to me that if you make OSAS a major issue you place emphasis on self as opposed to life in Christ.

Given the screwed up nature of human perspective teaching Christ and truth concerning good and evil is the proper discussion. OSAS is just useless division.

The only time OSAS comes up is when someone rails against it. I don't know of anyone going around trying to force the doctrine on others. It's a conclusion based on a string of deductions:

1. Jim has faith in the existence of Christ
2. Jim has faith in the integrity of the Scriptures
3. Jim interprets the Scriptures to say OSAS is true
4. Jim concludes OSAS is correct based on all the above
5. Jim doesn't go around demanding everyone else believe what he believes
6. A whole bunch of other people insist OSAS is incorrect and anyone who believes it is stupid and will burn in hell
7. Jim defends the OSAS doctrine to refute their argument
8. Jim is now under assault for preaching OSAS

Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
The only time OSAS comes up is when someone rails against it. I don't know of anyone going around trying to force the doctrine on others. It's a conclusion based on a string of deductions:

1. Jim has faith in the existence of Christ
2. Jim has faith in the integrity of the Scriptures
3. Jim interprets the Scriptures to say OSAS is true
4. Jim ...[text shortened]... ends the OSAS doctrine to refute their argument
8. Jim is now under assault for preaching OSAS

The time it comes up is when someone declares their salvation and the "fact" they cant lose it.

Jim needs to insert faith and acknowledge lack of absolute truth and the inherent lack of human perspective. Jim needs to avoid Satan's traps.

Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
The only time OSAS comes up is when someone rails against it. I don't know of anyone going around trying to force the doctrine on others. It's a conclusion based on a string of deductions:

1. Jim has faith in the existence of Christ
2. Jim has faith in the integrity of the Scriptures
3. Jim interprets the Scriptures to say OSAS is true
4. Jim ...[text shortened]... ends the OSAS doctrine to refute their argument
8. Jim is now under assault for preaching OSAS

1000 Jims start churches fooling poor people who are desperate for miracles in their lives and they put their trust in Pastor Jim. Jim speaks to them of tithing and giving and helping the churches [aka the pastor], and planting seeds. Jim is selling the gospel for profit. Jim tells them that they have eternal life and not even God can take it away. Jim lives in luxury while his member live in poverty. Jim is a crook

Originally posted by @eladar
The time it comes up is when someone declares their salvation and the "fact" they cant lose it.

When they do that what scripture is used to defend that belief? I can site several warnings.

Originally posted by @rajk999
1000 Jims start churches fooling poor people who are desperate for miracles in their lives and they put their trust in Pastor Jim. Jim speaks to them of tithing and giving and helping the churches [aka the pastor], and planting seeds. Jim is selling the gospel for profit. Jim tells them that they have eternal life and not even God can take it away. Jim lives in luxury while his member live in poverty. Jim is a crook

Real example or a made up story for your enjoyment or some other reason?

Originally posted by @rajk999
1000 Jims start churches fooling poor people who are desperate for miracles in their lives and they put their trust in Pastor Jim. Jim speaks to them of tithing and giving and helping the churches [aka the pastor], and planting seeds. Jim is selling the gospel for profit. Jim tells them that they have eternal life and not even God can take it away. Jim lives in luxury while his member live in poverty. Jim is a crook

So I guess based on your hypothetical about Jim, anyone who adheres to the doctrine is a crook. Can we add, "and will burn in hell" to that too? Surprised that wasn't there.

Originally posted by @kellyjay
We trust in Christ in faith we are saved. 😉

Christ is happy you have faith in eternity , now he would appreciate you opening your eyes so you can cast aside your faith.
Open your mind and learn. You can learn things in absolutely anything . Jesus wants you to lose your fear(s) by educating yourself about the universe understanding despite the way people are in this world, this is largely a planet full of lost souls (to put it mildly and simply ) , and is certainly not the way truly civilzed cultures act.
However the truth of the universe still exists on Earth. Little kids and dogs know ._.

Edit:of course this message is only valid for those who know how to deal with negativity. Those who can lookat the glass half instead of half empty. After al , it's no coincidence that you or anyone is alive in this era. I'm sure you've sufferd and learnt like the rest of us

Originally posted by @karoly-aczel
Christ is happy you have faith in eternity , now he would appreciate you opening your eyes so you can cast aside your faith.
Open your mind and learn. You can learn things in absolutely anything . Jesus wants you to lose your fear(s) by educating yourself about the universe and understand that despite the way people are in this world, this is largely ...[text shortened]... es act.
However the truth of the universe still exists on Earth. Little kids and dogs know ._.

We don't need your condescension. You have no clue how open my eyes are, no clue about my faith, my mind, my learning, my education, my understanding, or my fears. When you arrived (apparently after a lengthy hiatus) I replied in a friendly way to a few of your messages. All I got in return was condescension and rebuke. And I see who you are in lock step with here. So yeah. My eyes are wide open. And you can buzz off.

Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
We don't need your condescension. You have no clue how open my eyes are, no clue about my faith, my mind, my learning, my education, my understanding, or my fears. When you arrived (apparently after a lengthy hiatus) I replied in a friendly way to a few of your messages. All I got in return was condescension and rebuke. And I see who you are in lock step with here. So yeah. My eyes are wide open. And you can buzz off.

Not one ounce of condecesion in that last post
That one was all heart cowboy

Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
We don't need your condescension. You have no clue how open my eyes are, no clue about my faith, my mind, my learning, my education, my understanding, or my fears. When you arrived (apparently after a lengthy hiatus) I replied in a friendly way to a few of your messages. All I got in return was condescension and rebuke. And I see who you are in lock step with here. So yeah. My eyes are wide open. And you can buzz off.

Better to ignore forum trolls.