If OSAS is in the Bible.

Originally posted by @suzianne
Have you repented?

Do you sin?

Come on, let's have some true witness.

What's it gonna be?

Testimony or more 'lip service', or, as Rajk calls it, 'mouth worship'?

Why these questions over and over by you and others?

Oneupmanship ?

Originally posted by @eladar
Bible disagrees

1 Corinthians 4

Now it is required that those who have been given a trust must prove faithful. 3 I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself. 4 My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me. 5 Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait until the Lord comes.

There's no disagreement there.

The assurance of salvation doesn't mean that there is never any need for the faithfulness of the saved.

Go against your custom and use more than just a few words to explain your thought.

Put some explanation on it. Why does any of this make Paul unable to have confidence that the work God began He will complete in all Christians ?

Originally posted by @sonship
There's no disagreement there.

The assurance of salvation doesn't mean that there is never any need for the faithfulness of the saved.

Go against your custom and use more than just a few words to explain your thought.

Put some explanation on it. Why does any of this make Paul unable to have confidence that the work God began He will complete in all Christians ?

Because Paul said that God will DESTROY certain Christians who defile themselves.
DESTROY is the complete opposite to your claim.

Originally posted by @sonship
There's no disagreement there.

The assurance of salvation doesn't mean that there is never any need for the faithfulness of the saved.

Go against your custom and use more than just a few words to explain your thought.

Put some explanation on it. Why does any of this make Paul unable to have confidence that the work God began He will complete in all Christians ?

The latter end would be worse than the beginning for some sinful Chrsitians.
It is better for them if they did not know Christ in the first place, than to know Christ and reject him.

How can your claim that God is working on these sinful Christians and bring them inthe the Kingdom of God and give them eternal life, make any sense?

Your doctrine is complete and utter foolishness

Originally posted by @rajk999
The latter end would be worse than the beginning for some sinful Chrsitians.
It is better for them if they did not know Christ in the first place, than to know Christ and reject him.

How can your claim that God is working on these sinful Christians and bring them inthe the Kingdom of God and give them eternal life, make any sense?

Your doctrine is complete and utter foolishness

Once saved does not mean Never Disciplined.

And disciplined does not automatically mean "not saved anymore."

You have never been able to demonstrate doctrinal foolishness in what I wrote here. You tried for years and can't do it.

Disciplined - YET SAVED -

"If anyone's work is consumed, he will suffer loss, but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire." ( 1 Cor. 3:15)

Disciplined yet still saved.
You've never refuted it.

Originally posted by @sonship
There's no disagreement there.

The assurance of salvation doesn't mean that there is never any need for the faithfulness of the saved.

Go against your custom and use more than just a few words to explain your thought.

Put some explanation on it. Why does any of this make Paul unable to have confidence that the work God began He will complete in all Christians ?

To declare yourself saved you must do the judging. Paul says he is confident about his salvation but that does not mean he is saved.

Surely you are not so blind as to not see the truth. You must be an intentional liar.

Originally posted by @eladar
To declare yourself saved you must do the judging. Paul says he is confident about his salvation but that does not mean he is saved.

Surely you are not so blind as to not see the truth. You must be an intentional liar.

We don't just "declare ourselves saved." We declare our faith in Christ and our trust in His Word which tells us we are saved. Do you see the difference? We trust, in faith, that we are saved.

Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
We don't just "declare ourselves saved." We declare our faith in Christ and our trust in His Word which tells us we are saved. Do you see the difference? We trust, in faith, that we are saved.

We trust in Christ in faith we are saved. 😉

Originally posted by @eladar

To declare yourself saved you must do the judging. Paul says he is confident about his salvation but that does not mean he is saved.

Surely you are not so blind as to not see the truth. You must be an intentional liar.

If I said I was not saved I would be a liar AND I would be making God a liar.

" For by grace YOU ... HAVE ... BEEN ... SAVED through faith, and this not of yourselves; it is the gift of God." (Eph. 2:8)

What am I going to do? Should I assume I am being "humble" by saying "Paul you're lying. You cannot say that I have been saved."

Because I say "AMEN I have been saved" does not mean I boast in myself. It says that none saved can boast in themselves -

" ... you have been saved through faith, and this not of yourselves; it is the GIFT of God.

Not of works that no one should boast."

I am SAVED through faith. Yet I do not BOAST.
Well, I do BOAST in the Lord Jesus as He exhorted me to do.

"That as it is written, He who boasts, let him boast in the Lord." (1 Cor. 1:31)

I boast IN THE LORD Elader. Can't you see the difference. I BOAST in what the Lord Jesus IS and has done and has attained and has obtained.

I boast not in me and my works. I boast in the Lord.

Tell me you can see the difference.

Come back again to First Corinthians 1:30,31 which I
just quoted.

"But of Him [God] you are in Christ Jesus, who became wisdom to us from God: both righteousness and sanctification and redemption.

That as it is written, He who boasts, let him boast in the Lord."

I BOAST that Jesus Christ has been made to me WISDOM from God - WISDOM = righteousness and sanctification and redemption."

We can boast in Jesus forever.

Originally posted by @kellyjay
We trust in Christ in faith we are saved. 😉

I used the comma. We trust--in faith--we are saved. Christ was implied. I didn't word it well, sorry. Shoot me.

Originally posted by @eladar
To declare yourself saved you must do the judging. Paul says he is confident about his salvation but that does not mean he is saved.

Surely you are not so blind as to not see the truth. You must be an intentional liar.

I think you are also wording it incorrectly.
Pauls was saved
Paul did not have eternal life yet
Thats the difference
Christian Saints are saved
Eternal life is granted at a specific time when Jesus returns

Paul was confident but also wary about boasting and becoming complacent
This is the flaw with Christianity .. they do not follow Pauls example
Paul said that there was laid up for him a crown of righteousness
BUT he must keep himnself under control lest he become a castaway.

Humility in your confidence is the key.
Living the life of righteousness and awaiting judgment is the correct attitude
Christians lack that

Originally posted by @rajk999

Paul did not have eternal life yet

Yes he did.

He who has the Son has the life.
From the time God revealed His Son in Paul, Paul had the eternal life.

"But when it pleased God, who set me apart from my mother's womb and called me through His grace,

To reveal His Son in me that I might announce Him as the gospel among the Gentiles ... " (Galatians 1:15,16a)

All the while Paul was preaching the Gospel to the Gentiles he had the Son of God REVEALED in him.

And the Son of God is the eternal life.

" ... God has given to us eternal life and this life is in His Son.

He who has the Son has the life; he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life." (1 John 5:11b,12)

When God revealed His Son in Paul that Paul might preach him to the nations, did he have the Son ? Yes he did. Subsequently he had the life, the eternal life which is in the Son.

Burn your old Jehovah's Witnesses teachers materials. Burn them.

1 Corinthians 4

Now it is required that those who have been given a trust must prove faithful. 3 I care very little if I am judged by you or by any human court; indeed, I do not even judge myself. 4 My conscience is clear, but that does not make me innocent. It is the Lord who judges me. 5 Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait until the Lord comes.

This is not a verse about the state of Paul's salvation. It is about the effectiveness of his being an apostle.

Some of the church in Corinth were critical of Paul. They were always assuming bad things about him like naughty ungrateful teenagers who think they know it all.

The previous chapter speaks of ALL Christians building on the one foundation of Jesus Christ. All who build upon that unique foundation have the question of their eternal life resolved in the affirmiative. Otherwise they would not even be ON the foundation of Jesus Christ.

But each Christian will be examined by Jesus as to how he or she built the church. The section you quoted is about the examination of Paul's service as an apostle.

It is not about the security or lack therefore of his eternal redemption and eternal life.

Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
I used the comma. We trust--in faith--we are saved. Christ was implied. I didn't word it well, sorry. Shoot me.

I agreed with you, and thought I knew what you meant as you just confirmed. I was simply trying to say what I believe we both believe. 😉

Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
We don't just "declare ourselves saved." We declare our faith in Christ and our trust in His Word which tells us we are saved. Do you see the difference? We trust, in faith, that we are saved.

We, as you agree, are imperfect with imperfect perception and can be incorrect in our belief of being saved.

Any one of us could be deceived in our belief concerning salvation.