If OSAS is in the Bible.

Originally posted by @rajk999
You all preach that good works are not required for eternal life.

Originally posted by @sonship
Rajk999 is use to leaving in a huff rather than offering better explanations of scriptures.

How do I know the judgment of [b]Matthew 25:31-46 is not a judgment of Christians ?

It is because a judgement of Christians has ALREADY TAKEN PLACE. Otherwise the "mighty ones" who accompany Christ in His descend would not yet have been chosen. ...[text shortened]... least of them. And they are NOT therefore among the sheep and the goats whom Christ is judging.[/b]

Folks if RJHinds were here or Grampy Bobby they probably would have attempted to find some biblical objections to what I have just explained.

That I respect.

The judgment of Matthew 25:31-46 is not the judgment seat of Christ to reward Christians. They by that time have already been judged in the air and rewarded (those to whom reward will be due).

Part of their reward is to ACCOMPANY Christ DOWN to earth after their rapture and judgment.

Originally posted by @rajk999

The elect is taken up to be with Christ.
These do not need to be judged
These rule with Christ for the 1000 yrs

All Christians are NOT ELECT

" For we MUST ... ALL ... be manifested before the judgment seat of Christ, that each one may receive the things done through the body according to what he has practiced, whether good or bad." (2 Cor. 5:10)

Originally posted by @sonship

The elect is taken up to be with Christ.
These do not need to be judged
These rule with Christ for the 1000 yrs

All Christians are NOT ELECT

You don't seem to understand that being JUDGED is not just a matter of being punished. One can be JUDGED and REWARDED.

Paul says ALL the Christians including himself will be manifested b ...[text shortened]... life. This is to determine position and reward in the coming millennial kingdom - OR discipline.

So Sonship,

Just to make sure I understand what you've said. When it comes to salvation and receiving the free gift from God actions do matter. If your actions are not correct then you are not saved.

I want to say something about disciplined Christians. i know that since the Reformation it is hard to think of Christians being punished after the second coming of Christ.

Let me say this though. You have to consider the FIRST coming of Christ. The people then were given some general revelation about the Messiah coming. They had expectations that did not occur exactly as they thought would occur.

Am I right?

Listen now. God has not changed in that regard. So we have SOME outline of information about Christ's second coming. God is very very wise. And some details NOT specified to us are left unknown to test OUR hearts.

Just as the Jews expected a General Jesus to immediately defeat the Roman imperialists, they did not expect a Suffering and Crucified Messiah to come.

God is still very wise towards His Christian church. Bank on some things NOT told us in detail which will unfold in some kind of surprising manner.


Ie.

First Century Jews - "But I thought the Messiah was going to immediately conquer all imperialists and make Israel the world capital government. I did not expect Him to die a redemptive death on a Roman cross and rise again.

End of the Church Age Christians - " But I sang about Everything is going to be Alright when Jesus Comes. I didn't expect that my Christian walk would be examined by His penetrating judgment to see if I need more sanctification as the age turns."

God's nature has not changed. He can be "sneaky" to test the hearts of His people.

"You did not know everything. How did you act WITH what you DID know ?"

Originally posted by @sonship
I want to say something about disciplined Christians. i know that since the Reformation it is hard to think of Christians being punished after the second coming of Christ.

Let me say this though. You have to consider the FIRST coming of Christ. The people then were given some general revelation about the Messiah coming. They had expectations that did no ...[text shortened]... hearts of His people.

"You did not know everything. How did you act WITH what you DID know ?"

Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
No one teaches that our actions don't matter.

Originally posted by @eladar
Actions do not matter when it comes to salvation.

Do not play both sides of the fence like sonship.

If you teach actions are not important for salvation then you preach just as a Satanic gospel as Rajk.

Originally posted by @eladar
Actions do not matter when it comes to salvation.

Do not play both sides of the fence like sonship.

If you teach actions are not important for salvation then you preach just as a Satanic gospel as Rajk.

Originally posted by @rajk999
You must be living on another planet.

Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
I'm not playing both sides. I am saying I believe there is no action on our part; not one; ever; that triggers our justification. If you believe therefore I am devil-spawn, then so be it. I'm not going to sugarcoat it to win your approval.

Originally posted by @eladar
I do not believe actions justify either, simply reflects what is in the heart. Your actions show who you are. In that way your actions are important for salvation.

Fail to produce get cut down and burned. This is the gospel according to the Bible.

Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
Just when do you think salvation is bestowed upon us? Play it out. Let me know.