If OSAS is in the Bible.

Originally posted by @rajk999
I dont need to produce any such evidence.

If you tell a man that he is saved eternally by professions of faith.
That not even God can remove his name from the book of life
Then that is the equivalent of saying to the man not to worry with good works
and following the commandments.

Jesus never said anyone is saved eternally
Except for the sheep of ...[text shortened]... low the commandments
Otherwise there is no eternal life.

Dont ask again. I wont be answering

I get you like saying things and don't want to have to back up your words, typical.
I've never told anyone that OSAS is a Biblical doctrine, I disagree with that doctrine
completely. You make up stories of people doing evil things, then you also make up
things that you accuse others of saying, promoting a doctrine no one I know even
believes in, you are always accusing "Christians" of so much evil.

What spirit is it you are following, the Holy Spirit or some other? You never seem to
have joy, love, peace, or long suffering. You are more of a critical hateful person with the
way you treat others here you disagree with, even if they are not saying anything that
you are accusing them of.

Originally posted by @rajk999
Will those who produce bad fruits enter the Kingdom of God. The answer is NO.
Jesus came so that all can have eternal life.
Many / All [by some accounts in the Bible] are saved from their sins
Not all the saved will enter the Kingdom of God.

Can you show me where someone who is walking in the flesh is going to be saved from
their sins? Can you show me why when Jesus said those that do not believe in Him are
condemned already, but according to you over Jesus' words say otherwise and we are to
believe you over Jesus?

Originally posted by @kellyjay
Can you show me where someone who is walking in the flesh is going to be saved from
their sins? Can you show me why when Jesus said those that do not believe in Him are
condemned already, but according to you over Jesus' words say otherwise and we are to
believe you over Jesus?

I discussed that already. Not going down that road again.

Originally posted by @rajk999
I discussed that already. Not going down that road again.

Yep, thought so.

Originally posted by @eladar
If you can't say what you need to say in few words you do not understand the subject.

That is ridiculous.

What level of education did you finish at ?

Originally posted by @kellyjay
Who did Christ come to save, those with just good fruits?

Presumably Jesus wanted to save everyone. However as He said in Luke 13:25,
"Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able."

Jesus is clearly and explicitly stating that even of those who seek to enter the narrow door, many will not be able. Clearly Jesus understands that the efforts of many will fall short.

In Luke 13:27 Jesus clearly and explicitly states that it is the "evildoers" who will not be "saved". They will not only not be "saved", Jesus will say to them, "I do not know where you are from; DEPART FROM ME". Clearly Jesus is saying that this is the criteria by which people will be judged as to who will and will not be "saved".

You don't seem to be understanding what Jesus is saying in Luke 13:23-28. Perhaps you need to strive harder to gain that understanding. Perhaps you should take the time to read it over as necessary to gain that understanding.

Once again:
<<While I understand that this is at odds with your beliefs, shouldn't what Jesus is teaching in Matthew 7:13-23 and Luke 13:23-28 supersede those beliefs?>>

Originally posted by @thinkofone
Presumably Jesus wanted to save everyone. However as He said in Luke 13:25,
"Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able."

Jesus is clearly and explicitly stating that even of those who seek to enter the narrow door, many will not be able. Clearly Jesus understands that the efforts of many wi ...[text shortened]... shouldn't what Jesus is teaching in Matthew 7:13-23 and Luke 13:23-28 supersede those beliefs?>>

Its the same battle..

The doctrine of the church v The doctrine of Christ.

Originally posted by @thinkofone
Presumably Jesus wanted to save everyone. However as He said in Luke 13:25,
"Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able."

Jesus is clearly and explicitly stating that even of those who seek to enter the narrow door, many will not be able. Clearly Jesus understands that the efforts of many wi ...[text shortened]... shouldn't what Jesus is teaching in Matthew 7:13-23 and Luke 13:23-28 supersede those beliefs?>>

So you believe
1.) that Jesus will say these things ?
Or
2.) you do not believe Jesus will say these things but are simply pointing out what you see as problems with the Gospel message ?

These are simple questions to which you can easily choose which represents your thought.

I really don't see any harm in you answering them honestly.

Originally posted by @sonship
So you believe
[b]1.) that Jesus will say these things ?
Or
2.) you do not believe Jesus will say these things but are simply pointing out what you see as problems with the Gospel message ?

These are simple questions to which you can easily choose which represents your thought.

I really don't see any harm in you answering them honestly.[/b]

The point is that in Luke 13:27 Jesus clearly and explicitly states that it is the "evildoers" who will not be "saved".

You really do have a way of missing the point and of going off on nonsensical tangents.

Originally posted by @chaney3
Jesus came to save the world, not condemn it.

Most likely, all are saved.

Jesus did come to save the lost, but the doctrine all are saved isn't a good one either, it is
more than likely worse than the one "once saved always saved". What both those that
have answered God, and those that have not have in common, is that Jesus came to
save all of them, but not all of them are going to be saved. Actually very few of us by
comparison will be. Not because the way to God wasn't won for us all, but only a few us
will find it according to Jesus, who actually is the way.

We cannot by our efforts save ourselves, we cannot earn it on own, we cannot force our
way into God's Kingdom, we cannot offer anything to God to make up for sin. Before God
we are dead in our sins without Him. Yet when we were powerless to do anything that
could change that, Father so loved the world He sent Jesus, Jesus came who was
without sin became sin for us. So now we can be freed from sin, made alive in God, walk
in His ways not because we worthy, but because Jesus took upon Himself our guilt and
sends to us the Holy Spirit. God is love, this fact Satan tries to hide from us, tries to get
us to hate Him, tries to keep us apart. The Father gets no pleasure of anyone dying in
their sin, He sends to us Jesus who comes and take upon Himself our punishment,
Jesus who knew no sin became sin.

This is all God not us, we were powerless in our sins, we can add nothing to what God
has done to save us, even attempting to belittles it, suggesting Jesus' becoming sin
isn't enough. So many are doing this, they are not putting faith in Jesus Christ, instead
they are putting up their efforts and demanding others do the same, they are trying to
earn their way into God's Kingdom as if that were possible. So it boils down to this do we
trust God or our efforts because we think what God did wasn't enough?

We can go to God knowing God is on our side not wanting us to miss Him, but it will be
on God's terms not ours. We can go to God knowing that God loves us and wants the
very best for us, but it will be on God's terms. Do we love this world more than Him that
we would try to hold anything back like some pet sin, or do we go all in when it comes to
Jesus, do we love this world that we would be ashamed of His name? God is the very
best part of this life, the sure foundation! If we are relying on the performance of our
works, than as we have been talking about, how good must our works be, how many are
required, it is all human effort, but if we accept God's grace through faith, believing in
Jesus then He s our sure foundation, He is the Way, the Truth, our Life and following
Him walking in His Spirit so can die to our fleshly desires is required. We cannot do that
without His Spirit, but with His Spirit we can be doing that which He loves, which is
loving those around us as He has loved us holding NOTHING back, forgiving all that have
wronged us, as He has forgiven us. Loving the un-love-able, because that is what He did
for us. When we are weak, when we cannot do the things required, that is okay, because
there He is strong.

We are saved by Him, we receive His life, His Spirit, it isn't earned by us there are not
enough good works that could ever be done to earn it, We are saved by Him, His
righteousness for us not our own makes us right before God. We can enter into a rest,
His rest to do the works He has prepared for us to do. His joy being our strength.

Ezekiel 18:23
Have I any pleasure in the death of the wicked, declares the Lord God, and not rather that he should turn from his way and live?

John 3:16
16 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life.

2 Corinthians 5:21
For our sake he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

Originally posted by @sonship
That is ridiculous.

What level of education did you finish at ?

It is absolutely true. As is the fact thar you have embraced a false gospel. I have provided you with multiple passages explaining why.

Originally posted by @eladar
It is absolutely true. As is the fact thar you have embraced a false gospel. I have provided you with multiple passages explaining why.

Unless you ramble on and on for pages and pages, sonship is not impressed.
This is why the man cannot embrace the teachings of Jesus Christ.
Its too simple.

Love God and your neighbour as yourself
If ye love me keep my commandments
Why call me Lord Lord and do not the things that I say
The righteous will inherit the Kingdom of God.

Cant be that simple. Jesus did not have any education.
He must be mistaken.

Originally posted by @kellyjay
Jesus did come to save the lost, but the doctrine all are saved isn't a good one either, it is
more than likely worse than the one "once saved always saved". What both those that
have answered God, and those that have not have in common, is that Jesus came to
save all of them, but not all of them are going to be saved. Actually very few of us by
compar ...[text shortened]... he made him to be sin who knew no sin, so that in him we might become the righteousness of God.

Interesting that you quoted Ezekiel 18:23. It speaks directly against the point you seem to be trying to make. Have you ever read the surrounding context?

Ezekiel 18
21“But if the wicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed and observes all My statutes and practices justice and righteousness, he shall surely live; he shall not die. 22“All his transgressions which he has committed will not be remembered against him; because of his righteousness which he has practiced, he will live. 23“Do I have any pleasure in the death of the wicked,” declares the Lord GOD, “rather than that he should turn from his ways and live?
24“But when a righteous man turns away from his righteousness, commits iniquity and does according to all the abominations that a wicked man does, will he live? All his righteous deeds which he has done will not be remembered for his treachery which he has committed and his sin which he has committed; for them he will die.
30“Therefore I will judge you, O house of Israel, each according to his conduct,” declares the Lord GOD. “Repent and turn away from all your transgressions, so that iniquity may not become a stumbling block to you.

God clearly and explicitly states that He will judge each "according to his conduct".
God makes it clear that those who continue to sin will "die". Those who cease to sin will "live".

Originally posted by @thinkofone
Interesting that you quoted Ezekiel 18:23. It speaks directly against the point you seem to be trying to make. Have you ever read the surrounding context?

Ezekiel 18
21“But if the wicked man turns from all his sins which he has committed and observes all My statutes and practices justice and righteousness, he shall surely live; he shall not die. 22 ...[text shortened]... od makes it clear that those who continue to sin will "die". Those who cease to sin will "live".

Yes, the world is condemned, Jesus said that if we don't believe in Him we are condemn
already. That doesn't mean God wanted that to happen, that He takes no joy in the very
destruction of the wicked. He has made provision so we can be saved from the fact that
we are without Him, already dead in our sins, and since the dead can nothing to change
their state of being dead, He did it for us, because of His love for us. I'm not at all saying
that sin isn't going to be dealt with, the vast majority of this world are all going to Hell,
this isn't something I rejoice in, I get no pleasure out of it, and I don't think for a second
God does either. His Holiness, and Justice demands that He cannot accept sin, so He
sent Jesus to us to save us, His only begotten Son. I'm well aware of the coming
judgment about to fall on our whole race, it is not something I'm happy about. I'm trying
to point to the one Hope we have, Jesus. The fact that God is long suffering now, by not
judging us for our sin, acting against us as soon as we do sin, should show you His grace
is upon all of us at this moment giving us time to repent of our sins. We are told we
need to get saved today, no one gets saved tomorrow.

Originally posted by @kellyjay
Yes, the world is condemned, Jesus said that if we don't believe in Him we are condemn
already. That doesn't mean God wanted that to happen, that He takes no joy in the very
destruction of the wicked. He has made provision so we can be saved from the fact that
we are without Him, already dead in our sins, and since the dead can nothing to change
their ...[text shortened]... time to repent of our sins. We are told we
need to get saved today, no one gets saved tomorrow.

Clearly you didn't understand Ezekiel 18:23 even though you referenced it. You could at least acknowledge this fact.

The gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry is a logical extension of the concepts God espoused in Ezekiel 18. Jesus even references it in the following:
<<Matthew 16
27“For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels, and WILL THEN REPAY EVERY MAN ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS.

John 5
28“Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.>>

You believe in a different gospel.