If OSAS is in the Bible.

Originally posted by @sonship
Ad hom, but no rebuttal.

And you are calling Christ's words and the Apostle Paul's words "Satanic".

Your screwed up view of God's word is rooted in Satan.

Tell me, what happens to the once saved person who dies in a state of rebellion against God's truth?

You can't answer that question. No time for discipline only judgment.

I also notice you fail to answer the question concerning the seed that grows but gets choked out by weeds. Once again parts of the Bible you gloss over because it does not fit your heretical beliefs.

Originally posted by @thinkofone
Once again, I fully understand that you believe in a different gospel than what Jesus preached during His ministry. No need to keep pointing it out.

What is it I have said that you believe is counter to what Jesus said?

Originally posted by @sonship
[b]3.) The Holy Spirit SEALS the believers until the day of redemption OR cuts the time SHORT of that day, should they commit too many sins?

He seals them unto "the day of redemption".

" And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, in whom you were sealed unto the day of redemption." (Eph. 4:30)

Let's see if ...[text shortened]... ond coming of Christ , He cannot further deal with a believer who is retarded in sanctification.[/b]

Ananias and Sapphira - Two Liars, with the Holy Spirit. Satan filled their heart to lie to God

But Peter said, Ananias, why hath Satan filled thine heart to lie to the Holy Ghost, and to keep back part of the price of the land? Whiles it remained, was it not thine own? and after it was sold, was it not in thine own power? why hast thou conceived this thing in thine heart? thou hast not lied unto men, but unto God. (Acts 5:3-4 KJV)

Liars will not enter the Kingdom of God

.. all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death. (Revelation 21:8 KJV)

But knowing you, you will continue to twist and manipulate the word of God all the way to damnation.

Originally posted by @kellyjay
What is it I have said that you believe is counter to what Jesus said?

For example, as I posted earlier:

Luke 13
23And someone said to Him, “Lord, are there just a few who are being saved?” And He said to them, 24“Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able. 25“Once the head of the house gets up and shuts the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock on the door, saying, ‘Lord, open up to us!’ then He will answer and say to you, ‘I do not know where you are from.’ 26“Then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets’; 27and He will say, ‘I tell you, I do not know where you are from; DEPART FROM ME, ALL YOU EVILDOERS.’ 28“In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but yourselves being thrown out.

Jesus is clearly and explicitly speaking as to who is and is not "saved".
Jesus clearly and explicitly states that it is "evildoers" will not be "saved". They will not only not be "saved", Jesus will say to them, "I do not know where you are from; DEPART FROM ME".
As in Matthew 7, Jesus does not even "know them".

Once again this is about as straightforward reading as you can get.

Many Christians believe that the criteria for being "saved" is something very different from what Jesus clearly and explicitly states.
They believe that they can continue to "do evil" - which, for all intents and purposes, is the definition of "sin" - and are still "saved".
They believe that they can continue to "do evil" and "know Jesus" - and that Jesus "knows" them.
They believe in a very different "gospel" from the gospel preached by Jesus during His ministry.
From what I can tell, you are one of those Christians.

Originally posted by @thinkofone
For example, as I posted earlier:

Luke 13
23And someone said to Him, “Lord, are there just a few who are being saved?” And He said to them, 24“Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able. 25“Once the head of the house gets up and shuts the door, and you begin to stand outside and knoc ...[text shortened]... by Jesus during His ministry.
From what I can tell, you are one of those Christians.

What did I say that is counter to not sinning? You are accusing me of something, please
give me specifics, not just reposting what you posted earlier. I have no issue with scripture,
what you are claiming it means sometimes we disagree. Post my words, and show me how
I have said anything counter to Jesus!

Originally posted by @kellyjay
What did I say that is counter to not sinning? You are accusing me of something, please
give me specifics, not just reposting what you posted earlier. I have no issue with scripture,
what you are claiming it means sometimes we disagree. Post my words, and show me how
I have said anything counter to Jesus!

One of your problems why you cannot carry on a bible discussion with a non-church person is that you continue to use church jargon which is basically meaningless and often nonsensical

- be right with God
- relationship with Christ
- works based salvation

The bible has no such expressions.

Jesus said live righteously and you will enter the kingdom of God
Live sinfully and you will die

Your continued counter that is you must have the Spirit of Christ, be right with God and other statements like relationship, which you do not explain properly.

You are not a bible man. You are a church man

Originally posted by @eladar
Tell me book and verse that says we get to decide if we have the holy spirit.

We make the decision that it is happening to us. We may or may not be right. GOD knows if we have the Spirit so there is no decision on His part. Truth doesn't require a decision, statement of belief, or an opinion.

Who makes the decision to put the Spirit upon us? God all the way.

Originally posted by @kellyjay
What did I say that is counter to not sinning? You are accusing me of something, please
give me specifics, not just reposting what you posted earlier. I have no issue with scripture,
what you are claiming it means sometimes we disagree. Post my words, and show me how
I have said anything counter to Jesus!

Tell you what. You kept dancing around the following passage without providing an alternative reading that fully takes Jesus' words quoted in the passage into account. Instead you kept reciting your high-level beliefs. As someone once said, "God is in the details". So provide a detailed analysis. Maybe it'll help to move things forward.

Luke 13
23And someone said to Him, “Lord, are there just a few who are being saved?” And He said to them, 24“Strive to enter through the narrow door; for many, I tell you, will seek to enter and will not be able. 25“Once the head of the house gets up and shuts the door, and you begin to stand outside and knock on the door, saying, ‘Lord, open up to us!’ then He will answer and say to you, ‘I do not know where you are from.’ 26“Then you will begin to say, ‘We ate and drank in Your presence, and You taught in our streets’; 27and He will say, ‘I tell you, I do not know where you are from; DEPART FROM ME, ALL YOU EVILDOERS.’ 28“In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth when you see Abraham and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but yourselves being thrown out.

Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
We make the decision that it is happening to us. We may or may not be right. GOD knows if we have the Spirit so there is no decision on His part. Truth doesn't require a decision, statement of belief, or an opinion.

Who makes the decision to put the Spirit upon us? God all the way.

What do you make of those Christians who declare themselves already certainly "saved", and that this is irreversible because it would mean that 'God would be a liar' or 'God has made a promise that he won't break'?

Originally posted by @thinkofone
Tell you what. You kept dancing around the following passage without providing an alternative reading that fully takes Jesus' words quoted in the passage into account. Instead you kept reciting your high-level beliefs. As someone once said, "God is in the details". So provide the details. Maybe it'll help to move things forward.

Luke 13
23And someo ...[text shortened]... and Isaac and Jacob and all the prophets in the kingdom of God, but yourselves being thrown out.

Exactly what is it that he said which you are trying to counter?

Originally posted by @fmf
What do you make of those Christians who declare themselves already certainly "saved", and that this is irreversible because it would mean that 'God would be a liar' or 'God has made a promise that he won't break'?

I declare I am saved, so I agree with them. But it's a matter of faith and belief with me. Again there is always the chance that I'm wrong or even insane. I can say with confidence that I'm saved, but never 100% certainty.

Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
I can say with confidence that I'm saved, but never 100% certainty.

You believe that any "sins" you commit in the future and any failure to obey Christ's commandments are already forgiven preemptively?

Originally posted by @fmf
You believe that any "sins" you commit in the future and any failure to obey Christ's commandments are already forgiven preemptively?

By this I figure you're provoking a response that would drag me into battle vs. the other 2 or 3 "live sinless and do enough works to maintain your salvation" proponents. I've already said everything I have to say on that.

Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
By this I figure you're provoking a response that would drag me into battle vs. the other 2 or 3 "live sinless and do enough works to maintain your salvation" proponents. I've already said everything I have to say on that.

Actually, I am simply asking you about your theological beliefs.

Originally posted by @tom-wolsey
We make the decision that it is happening to us. We may or may not be right. GOD knows if we have the Spirit so there is no decision on His part. Truth doesn't require a decision, statement of belief, or an opinion.

Who makes the decision to put the Spirit upon us? God all the way.

As long as you are willing to admit that this belief of yours is not actually in the Bible and that it is just a feeling, I am cool with that.

Reminds me of why Mormons believe as they do. Some have claimed a burning in the bosom.