Originally posted by @rajk999To paraphrase Forrest Gump:
You keep missing the main point.
God is the judge of who is doing good works
God is the judge of who is right with Him.
Faith does not make one right with God
"Righteous is as righteous does".
How do they remain blind to what Jesus is saying? He says it over and over again in many different ways.
John 5
28“Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment.
Matthew 13
So just as the tares are gathered up and burned with fire, so shall it be at the end of the age. 41“The Son of Man will send forth His angels, and they will gather out of His kingdom all stumbling blocks, and those who commit lawlessness, 42and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. 43“Then THE RIGHTEOUS WILL SHINE FORTH AS THE SUN in the kingdom of their Father. He who has ears, let him hear.
Matthew 13
47“Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a dragnet cast into the sea, and gathering fish of every kind;48and when it was filled, they drew it up on the beach; and they sat down and gathered the good fish into containers, but the bad they threw away. 49“So it will be at the end of the age; the angels will come forth and take out the wicked from among the righteous, 50and will throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Originally posted by @kellyjayOnce again, I fully understand that you believe in a different gospel than what Jesus preached during His ministry. No need to keep pointing it out.
I pointed out to you that walking in the Spirit is the way God has given us to not walk in the flesh. Not our ability to remain sinless on our own. It is through God we are saved, it is through God we are able to avoid sin.
Originally posted by @thinkofoneCorrect. Those who DO. are righteous
To paraphrase Forrest Gump:
"Righteous is as righteous does".
How do they remain blind to what Jesus is saying? He says it over and over again in many different ways.
John 5
28“Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection ...[text shortened]... throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Those who talk get nothing
KJ equates faith with being right with God
But the bible is clear
DOERS ARE JUSTIFIED BEFORE GOD.
Originally posted by @thinkofoneYes and the only way we are righteous in as we abide in Christ walking in His Spirit.
To paraphrase Forrest Gump:
"Righteous is as righteous does".
How do they remain blind to what Jesus is saying? He says it over and over again in many different ways.
John 5
28“Do not marvel at this; for an hour is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, 29and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection ...[text shortened]... throw them into the furnace of fire; in that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
Originally posted by @kellyjayYes? I'm surprised. Do you understand that the verses I cited from John 5 and Matthew 13 indicate that those have not ceased to commit sin are not righteous? And they will be subject to a " resurrection of judgment" and " throw(n) ...into the furnace of fire"?
Yes and the only way we are righteous in as we abide in Christ walking in His Spirit.
"Righteous is as righteous does". Therefore, those who continue to sin are not righteous?.
1.) Those who receive Christ are given the Holy Spirit for how long? Until they have committed so many sins that He GOES AWAY from them?
No. He comes to be with them FOREVER
"And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Comforter, that He may be with you FOREVER, Even the Spirit of reality, ..." (See John 14:16)
Let's wait and see how Elader, Rajk999, and ThinkOfOne will change the "FOREVER" to be "TEMPORARILY."
2.) Does the Holy Spirit seal the believers until the time they acquire the possession or does He cut the time short should they commit too many sins?
He seals them as a PLEDGE up to the time of ACQUIRING "of the acquired possession."
"In whom you also having heard the word of the truth, the gospel of your salvation, in Him also believing, you were sealed with the Holy Spirit of the promise,
Who is the pledge of our inheritance unto the redemption of the acquired possession, ... " (Eph. 1:13,14)
Let's see how Rajk999, Elader, and ThinkOfOne will change God's word to say the opposite - ie. He only seals them with a pledge until which time He deems them no longer worthy to have the SEAL and the PLEDGE.
3.) The Holy Spirit SEALS the believers until the day of redemption OR cuts the time SHORT of that day, should they commit too many sins?
He seals them unto "the day of redemption".
" And do not grieve the Holy Spirit of God, in whom you were sealed unto the day of redemption." (Eph. 4:30)
Let's see if Rajk999, Elader, and ThinkOfOne will twist this to say the OPPOSITE - that God will seal them only up to some time SHORT OF that day, should they commit too many sins.
Three cases which prove Once Sealed Always Sealed.
None of what is written above is an encouragement to continue to live in sin after receiving Christ. Nothing written above suggests that after the second coming of Christ , He cannot further deal with a believer who is retarded in sanctification.
Originally posted by @sonshipWho decides if you have the holy spirit?
[b] 1.) Those who receive Christ are given the Holy Spirit for how long? Until they have committed so many sins that He GOES AWAY from them?
No. He comes to be with them FOREVER
[quote] "And I will ask the Father, and He will give you another Comforter, the He may be with you FOREVER, Even the Spirit of reality, ...[text shortened]... and see how Eader, Rajk999, and ThinkOfOne will change the [b]"FOREVER" to be "TEMPORARILY"[/b]
Originally posted by @eladarNo rebuttal yet. But Elader offers a red herring of a question to distract FROM the points made.
Who decides if you have the holy spirit?
1.) The Holy Spirit is given to the believers until ? Until FOREVER.
2.)The Holy Spirit is a pledge until the ACQUIRING of the possession.
3.) The Holy Spirit is a seal and pledge unto the day of redemption.
Elader, opts for asking a distraction question to side line what he will not be able to contradict.
Originally posted by @eladarWhat a weird question. At worst it seems loaded, like a trap question. At best, it's hardly relevant and might be worded improperly. Ultimately we decide if we have the Spirit. No one else is going to "decide" it. But what matters is who knows it. A humble Christian must admit to him or herself, "I might be crazy as a loon." It is possible, however low the probability. So we can't officially, with 100% certainty, see we know. But again, we are the ones that decide we have the Spirit.
Who decides if you have the holy spirit?
Originally posted by @sonshipYeah I will never be able to answer the Bible based on your Satanic point of view.
No rebuttal yet. But Elader offers a red herring of a question to distract FROM the points made.
[b]1.) The Holy Spirit is given to the believers until ? Until FOREVER.
2.)The Holy Spirit is a pledge until the ACQUIRING of the possession.
3.) The Holy Spirit is a seal and pledge unto the day of redemption.
Elader, opts for asking a distraction question to side line what he will not be able to contradict.[/b]
Originally posted by @tom-wolseyTell me book and verse that says we get to decide if we have the holy spirit.
What a weird question. At worst it seems loaded, like a trap question. At best, it's hardly relevant and might be worded improperly. Ultimately we decide if we have the Spirit. No one else is going to "decide" it. But what matters is who knows it. A humble Christian must admit to him or herself, "I might be crazy as a loon." It is ...[text shortened]... 100% certainty, see we [i]know. But again, we are the ones that decide we have the Spirit.
Originally posted by @eladarThe question ITSELF is a red herring.
Who decides if you have the holy spirit?
It is irrelevant actually.
The Holy Spirit comes and we are stuck with Him for ETERNITY.
It does say, don't GRIEVE the Holy Spirit.
It does not say don't ANGER the Holy Spirit.
Once SEALED always SEALED.
Once SAVED does not mean NEVER DISCIPLINED (and STILL saved).
Now one of you three refute.
1.) The Holy Spirit is given to the believers until ? Until FOREVER.
2.) The Holy Spirit is a pledge until the ACQUIRING of the possession.
3.) The Holy Spirit is a seal and pledge unto the day of redemption.
I'll be back in a couple of hours to see if anyone tried.
You could just say "AMEN!" you know ?
Originally posted by @eladarAd hom, but no rebuttal.
Yeah I will never be able to answer the Bible based on your Satanic point of view.
And you are calling Christ's words and the Apostle Paul's words "Satanic".