If you could save billions from eternal torture…

@pb1022 said
Well you’re free to have that opinion,

Do you think posters like sonship and KellyJay actually believe in "torture in burning flames for eternity"?

@fmf said
I've chatted with opponents in every single game of chess I have ever played here.

Aren’t they the lucky ones.

@fmf said
Do you think posters like sonship and KellyJay actually believe in "torture in burning flames for eternity"?

It’s hard to equate a loving God with that doctrine. But I’m limited in my understanding - as all humans are.

@pb1022 said
Aren’t they the lucky ones.

So that's what I base my opinion on - that these forums are a very marginal - mostly unknown - feature of this website for chess players who use it, and I think it preposterous to think that any of them read stuff here and end up believing in "torture in burning flames for eternity".

@pb1022 said
It’s hard to equate a loving God with that doctrine. But I’m limited in my understanding - as all humans are.

Do you think they actually believe it?

@fmf said
Do you actually believe that people reading the exchanges between you and me are going to result in some of them adopting the belief that "torture in burning flames for eternity" is real?

You realize that I'm not pushing my opinion based upon my feeling, don't you? I believe in scripture as truth, so the debate ends on that point if the Bible says it. When scripture says this will happen, it doesn't matter what anyone thinks after that. People can believe whatever they want, but the truth doesn't change; it doesn't matter what the poll numbers are on it; the truth will remain the truth at any given point.

If "torture in burning flames for eternity" were real, I wouldn't waste a moment in this cranny. I'd be working flat out for some church or NGO trying to reach as many people as humanly possible. If I didn't do that, you'd be forgiven 100% for deducing that I in fact did not really actually sincerely believe in "torture in burning flames for eternity" at all.

If a wildfire was raging towards my village here, destroying houses and killing people, and I knew it, and they didn't, do you think I would spend my time chatting on an obscure climate change message board where wildfires were one of the topics?

@kellyjay said
You realize that I'm not pushing my opinion based upon my feeling, don't you? I believe in scripture as truth, so the debate ends on that point if the Bible says it. When scripture says this will happen, it doesn't matter what anyone thinks after that. People can believe whatever they want, but the truth doesn't change; it doesn't matter what the poll numbers are on it; the truth will remain the truth at any given point.

Thanks. But what about my question? Do you actually believe that people reading the exchanges between you and me are going to result in some of them adopting the belief that "torture in burning flames for eternity" is real?

@kellyjay said
You realize that I'm not pushing my opinion based upon my feeling, don't you?

I think that if you actually believed that "torture in burning flames for eternity" was for real, you wouldn't spend hours and hours every week talking to me.

@fmf said
Do you think posters like sonship and KellyJay actually believe in "torture in burning flames for eternity"?

Is this a personality topic? Do those people believe that as if we were something other than? It doesn't matter what I believe; if it is true, it is true, you are looking at scripture that points to Hell, so that doesn't sit well with you, so what. You reject the whole thing, and this one point you get worked up about?

@kellyjay said
Is this a personality topic?

No, it's a topic about belief.

And on how people behave based on that belief.

And whether they really do have that belief given how they behave.

@fmf said
I think that if you actually believed that "torture in burning flames for eternity" was for real, you wouldn't spend hours and hours every week talking to me.

If you could die and spend an eternity in Hell, and that is the consequence of dying outside of Christ, the loving thing for me to do is hide that from you and leave you alone, or continue to warn you? Besides that, it isn't for you alone I spend time-sharing Jesus died for my sins, He died for everyone else' too, and if He is to get anything out of us, we need to share so that His laying down His life for all wasn't for nothing.

@kellyjay said
It doesn't matter what I believe; if it is true, it is true

It doesn't matter? Surely it affects what you say, to whom you say it, and what you do?

@fmf said
No, it's a topic about belief.

And on how people behave based on that belief.

And whether they really do have that belief given how they behave.

Do you want to call people liars and find a way to justify that?

@kellyjay said
If you could die and spend an eternity in Hell, and that is the consequence of dying outside of Christ, the loving thing for me to do is hide that from you and leave you alone, or continue to warn you?

How many people - aside from me - do you think you are reaching by talking to me? Your behaviour, in light of the fact you purport to believe "torture in burning flames for eternity" is real, seems odd. And now, you frame it as "the loving thing to do"?