If you could save billions from eternal torture…

@fmf said
One could ask: "Why is he wasting time trying to save people from "Hell" in an obscure backwater like this forum if he actually believes eternal torture in flames is for real?"

I think far more chess players read these forums than you think. And I would wager most are atheists.

@kellyjay said
What would be the loving thing to if I believed it to be true, NOT warn people that fate is one breath away at any given time?

How can you reach more people? How many people are you reaching by talking to me?

@pb1022 said
I think far more chess players read these forums than you think.

No, I think I have probably got it about right, and it's a hunch that's at least based on something.

@kellyjay said
Jumping through mental hoops now, are you?

Not at all. Perhaps what you see as "mental hoops" for someone else, are in fact just moments when YOU cannot comprehend what is being said in the discussion.

@kellyjay said
If you cannot accept what someone tells you, what is the point of talking to you if you will take what they say, and in your mind go, and they mean this I don't care what they say!

If a wildfire was raging towards my village here, destroying houses and killing people, and I knew it, and they didn't, do you think I would spend my time chatting on an obscure climate change message board where wildfires were one of the topics?

@fmf said
If a wildfire was raging towards my village here, destroying houses and killing people, and I knew it, and they didn't, do you think I would spend my time chatting on an obscure climate change message board where wildfires were one of the topics?

This isn’t a good analogy because presumably many on the climate change message board aren’t in your village.

For the analogy to be correct, *everyone* on the climate change message board would have to be in your village because everyone is at risk of going to hell.

@pb1022 said
This isn’t a good analogy because presumably many on the climate change message board aren’t in your village.

It is a good analogy.

This Spirituality Forum is just an obscure message board with a few people whose beliefs are fixed and I'd imagine not a single one of them is in KellyJay's village/town.

It's a good analogy and you have perhaps been too hasty in responding to it.

@pb1022 said
For the analogy to be correct, *everyone* on the climate change message board would have to be in your village because everyone is at risk of going to hell.

Nonsense. I think you have utterly and completely missed the point the analogy makes,

@fmf said
If a wildfire was raging towards my village here, destroying houses and killing people, and I knew it, and they didn't, do you think I would spend my time chatting on an obscure climate change message board where wildfires were one of the topics?

KellyJay?

Does this analogy help you to understand my stance [as laid out on page 1]?

@fmf said
This Spirituality Forum is just an obscure message board with a few people whose beliefs are fixed and I'd imagine not a single one of them is in KellyJay's village/town.

For KellyJay, one can insert sonship here, or any other people who happen to worship a torturer God.

@fmf said
It is a good analogy.

This Spirituality Forum is just an obscure message board with a few people whose beliefs are fixed and I'd imagine not a single one of them is in KellyJay's village/town.

It's a good analogy and you have perhaps been too hasty in responding to it.

So someone in KellyJay’s village/town is more worthy of being saved from hell than someone who’s not in his village/town?

Your analogy’s fatally flawed.

@fmf said
Nonsense. I think you have utterly and completely missed the point the analogy makes,

Your analogy’s a flop.

@pb1022 said
So someone in KellyJay’s village/town is more worthy of being saved from hell than someone who’s not in his village/town?

No, that's not the point. Spending time talking to essentially anonymous people about the dangers of wildfires on an obscure climate change message board doesn't make sense if KallyKay knows that his oblivious neighbour is actually about to die a gruesome death, as are the people who live up and down his street, as are his neighbours' families, and his kids' friends and their teachers, the local shopkeepers, countless firemen, police etc. Meanwhile, he is speaking to someone like me on the internet.

@pb1022 said
Your analogy’s fatally flawed.

Well, if you think so, that's OK. Your 'analysis' of it suggests that you don't actually understand it and that you still don't really understand what is being discussed. But if it hasn't helped you to gain an insight into this issue, that's fine.

@fmf said
No, that's not the point. Spending time talking to essentially anonymous people about the dangers of wildfires on an obscure climate change message board doesn't make sense if KallyKay knows that his oblivious neighbour is actually about to die a gruesome death, as are the people who love up and down his street, as are his neighbours' families, and his kids' friends and their teachers etc.

Maybe “KallyKay” already has spoken - and speaks - to his friends and neighbors about his beliefs. You think he hides his beliefs from his friends and neighbors?

KallyKay can both speak to his friends in real life and post on a message board. One doesn’t exclude the other.

And everyone is in danger of hell, not just KallyKay’s friends and neighbors