In league with Satan

Originally posted by galveston75
I'm not avoiding your question but if you'll humor me for a bit, can you prove he doesn't exist?

If you want proof its the other way around, no one can prove a negative,
if proof was to be given it would be the one who said they could prove it
not someone who said it isn't real.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
If you want proof its the other way around, no one can prove a negative,
if proof was to be given it would be the one who said they could prove it
not someone who said it isn't real.
Kelly

Ok..disprove he doesn't exist?

Originally posted by galveston75
Ok..disprove he doesn't exist?

Two things first I believe he is real, but I am not saying I can prove it.
I'll say this part again maybe you will grasp it this time. You cannot
prove a negative, you cannot say there are no flying giant
marshmallow elves and prove it because you cannot look everywhere to
show they are not real somewhere. So whoever is making the positive
claim and wants to talk of proof, it is on them not the one who says
no I don’t believe you. If you can prove he is real then all room for
doubt would go away.
Kelly

Originally posted by galveston75
Ok..disprove he doesn't exist?

doublt post

Originally posted by galveston75
Ok..disprove he doesn't exist?

Triple post

Originally posted by Proper Knob
In light of a recent exchange with jaywill, how many Christians on this forum believe that unbelievers are in league with Satan?

The whole "in league with Satan" thing: it's got Us v Them xenophobia, literature-backed licence to denunciate & condem, scope for vanity & self-righteousness, it encompasses enforcement & smackdown by way of Fear Of The Bogey Man. How anyone can claim this is a 'divine' [rather than a blatantly 'human'] recipe, is hard to comprehend. It seems so prosaic, parochial - predictable, even.

Originally posted by KellyJay
Two things first I believe he is real, but I am not saying I can prove it.
I'll say this part again maybe you will grasp it this time. You cannot
prove a negative, you cannot say there are no flying giant
marshmallow elves and prove it because you cannot look everywhere to
show they are not real somewhere. So whoever is making the positive
claim and wa ...[text shortened]... I don’t believe you. If you can prove he is real then all room for
doubt would go away.
Kelly

The proof of God is all around you and in every single thing your eyes can see.....

Originally posted by galveston75
The proof of God is all around you and in every single thing your eyes can see.....

circumstantial evidence is not proof.

Originally posted by FMF
The whole "in league with Satan" thing: it's got Us v Them xenophobia, literature-backed licence to denunciate & condem, scope for vanity & self-righteousness, it encompasses enforcement & smackdown by way of Fear Of The Bogey Man. How anyone can claim this is a 'divine' [rather than a blatantly 'human'] recipe, is hard to comprehend. It seems so prosaic, parochial - predictable, even.

Not really, scripture teaches we are not at war with flesh and blood!
Jesus came to save us not to destroy us, we are a divided people filled
with hate and distrust towards one another. It is the lost and broken that
Jesus died for. We are not worthy of God, but the One who died for us is
worthy and He deserves the reward of His suffering.

The fact that Satan wants to keep as many from God as possible puts many
in league with him as they do all they can to make that happen. It is still
not an us against them, Jesus died for each of us, and those kept in the
darkness of this world no matter how dark their darkness is can keep the
love of God from them if they but turn their hearts to Jesus Christ who died
for every sin we have ever done. Those here who find themselves hating
others who they can see will have to stand before people who forgave others
who have forgiven the killers of their families, that forgave those that were
about to kill them, and Jesus Christ who died to forgive them.

What little love we have if we can hate those around us while so much has
been given for us. So trust me, it isn't an us against them, it is Satan trying
to keep us at odds from both God and man.
Kelly

Ephesians 6:12
American Standard Version (ASV)

12 For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against the powers, against the world-rulers of this darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

Originally posted by galveston75
The proof of God is all around you and in every single thing your eyes can see.....

Your preaching to the choir here, I guess you didn’t bother reading my post,
and if you think I need convinced that God is real you have never read any
of my posts.
Kelly

Originally posted by VoidSpirit
circumstantial evidence is not proof.

Who designed your car and how did it get built? Who built your house or made the shoes you're wearing? Do fields of corn just happen or is there someone involved in the production of that crop?
No one you say? It just happened?

Originally posted by KellyJay

Not really, scripture teaches we are not at war with flesh and blood!
Jesus came to save us not to destroy us, we are a divided people filled
with hate and distrust towards one another. It is the lost and broken that
Jesus died for. We are not worthy of God, but the One who died for us is
worthy and He deserves the reward of His suffering.

The fact that Satan wants to keep as many from God as possible puts many
in league with him as they do all they can to make that happen. It is still
not an us against them, Jesus died for each of us, and those kept in the
darkness of this world no matter how dark their darkness is can keep the
love of God from them if they but turn their hearts to Jesus Christ who died
for every sin we have ever done. Those here who find themselves hating
others who they can see will have to stand before people who forgave others
who have forgiven the killers of their families, that forgave those that were
about to kill them, and Jesus Christ who died to forgive them.

What little love we have if we can hate those around us while so much has
been given for us. So trust me, it isn't an us against them, it is Satan trying
to keep us at odds from both God and man.
Kelly

Ephesians 6:12
American Standard Version (ASV)

12 For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against the powers, against the world-rulers of this darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

Can I suggest you use REPLY rather than REPLY & QUOTE if you are going to write something that scarcely has anything to do with what I posted?

We are both theists. I am not a religionist. You are. Unlike me, you believe you have been told "God's instructions". I don't think you have. But you do. i.e. you subscribe to a particular combination of [ a ] hypothetical explanation, [ b ] set of rules, specific literature, [ c ] outcomes for those that conform and don't conform.

I do not subscribe to this concoction of speculations and hopes although I accept it guides your spiritual path. So, above, I suggested that, to an onlooker like me, the whole "in league with Satan" thing smacks of human imagination and folklore; brandishing it smacks of human proclivity for groupism and parochialism, and for assuming that your outward professions of certainty can somehow project objective 'facts' onto the realities experienced by people who do not share your beliefs.

Merely chuntering on about Jesus, as you did in response, just demonstrates that you have internalized the "Satan" folklore, not that the whole "in league with Satan" thing is of "divine" origin.

Originally posted by galveston75
Some pretty uneducated statements here but I'll take the time to answer. I believe that God has enough intelligence and has more understanding of every humans circumstances on this planet to know what their situation is and he would know first what heir heart condition is and would be if their lifes were different. Don't ya think?
And yes many have bee se he needed another angle". Such a lie from that persaon and not a truth at all about God.

And now to answer the really dumb statement you made which shows me you know very about the Bible and much less about God but oly what false religion has taught you to think, is that God would never do this or whatever else tragick things you think he does.

Weren't you one of those people who were getting all over rajk's case recently for similar behavior?

Originally posted by galveston75
I'm not avoiding your question but if you'll humor me for a bit, can you prove he doesn't exist?

No I can't prove that no god exists, although there is convincing strong evidence that the spiritual basis of your religion and god are false but not absolute proof.


But I am not the one making the positive claim, you are.

You are making the positive claim that god (and satan) exist and you need positive evidence to justify that claim.

This is the burden of evidence/proof and why you have it.


Positive claims need positive evidence/proofs.

Originally posted by KellyJay
If you want proof its the other way around, no one can prove a negative,
if proof was to be given it would be the one who said they could prove it
not someone who said it isn't real.
Kelly

Wow.

Thumbs up for getting that right...

You know I think that's the first time I have had a theist correctly argue the burden of proof.