In league with Satan

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
is this the best you materialists can really do, errr, excuse Mr. Frankenstein is that your
monster ravaging the village, err, yes, i only created it, nothing to do with me really!

That's not what we're saying at all you dullard. Goodness grief, i'm going to excommunicate myself again in a minute, this is like pulling teeth out.

Science, is merely gaining an understanding how how nature works, nature was after all created by your God (or so you believe). Just to add, by nature i mean the Universe and all that is within it. So science could be viewed as 'the understanding of Gods creation'. What people do with that understanding is down to the them. We can create atomic bombs because that is the way God setup the laws of nature, we understand the 'science' behind the technology. What we do with that technology is not down to the technology, but is down to 'us'. People, human beings.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
That's not what we're saying at all you dullard. Goodness grief, i'm going to excommunicate myself again in a minute, this is like pulling teeth out.

Science, is merely gaining an understanding how how nature works, nature was after all created by your God (or so you believe). Just to add, by nature i mean the Universe and all that is within it. So s ...[text shortened]... at technology is not down to the technology, but is down to 'us'. People, human beings.

Yes i understand that science is gaining an understanding of how nature works, through
observation, that is all good and well, however to state that the scientist is not
responsible for the technologies they produce is a nonsense, as nonsensical as Dr
Frankenstein claiming that he is not responsible for the monster he created.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Yes i understand that science is gaining an understanding of how nature works, through
observation, that is all good and well, however to state that the scientist is not
responsible for the technologies they produce is a nonsense, as nonsensical as Dr
Frankenstein claiming that he is not responsible for the monster he created.

You know that story is fictional don't you?



It is up to society at large to decide what technologies to use and how to use them.

Science as a whole as unquestionably made life better and increased our chances of survival.

Only an idiot would claim otherwise....

You are that idiot.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Yes i understand that science is gaining an understanding of how nature works, through
observation, that is all good and well, however to state that the scientist is not
responsible for the technologies they produce is a nonsense, as nonsensical as Dr
Frankenstein claiming that he is not responsible for the monster he created.

But when people ask about Gods responsibility for His/Her creation and all the negative aspects of it theist chunder on about 'free will'; why the double standards for scientists?

Originally posted by divegeester
[b]Where did I say I spend a significant amount of my free time with those people?

You didn't and nor did I. I was pointing out your "assumption" and generalisation about Christians and I don't like being generalised or stereotyped and more than the next guy.

I spend most of my free time with my fellow heathens or people of other religions
I'm not questioning the validity of your lifestyle which I'm sure is rich and varied.

"I was pointing out your "assumption" and generalisation about Christians and I don't like being generalised or stereotyped and more than the next guy."

Then why didn't you just point out that you didn't appreciate the generalization that you perceived instead of making the snarky comment? I'm a reasonable man. If I made an error I would correct it.

However, I guess that you're referring to this statement that I made:

"I've come to accept that most Christians think that I'm in league with Satan "

Please note that I said "most" not all. I did not intend to generalize but merely point out what I have observed. There's evidence of what I said right here on this forum and this very thread after all. I know that there are some Christians that don't feel the need to put all of us non-Christians in their little box and I certainly appreciate them for that.

"I'm not questioning the validity of your lifestyle which I'm sure is rich and varied."

No but you are a 21 old kid, according to your profile, who basically told a 45 year old man that has drank, gambled, brawled, and fornicated in more countries than you've probably visited to "get a life". Oh wait maybe I am in league with Satan after all!

No biggie. In the future if you take exception to something I've said here just question me on it and I'll clarify. Like I said, I'm a reasonable man.

Originally posted by googlefudge
You know that story is fictional don't you?



It is up to society at large to decide what technologies to use and how to use them.

Science as a whole as unquestionably made life better and increased our chances of survival.

Only an idiot would claim otherwise....

You are that idiot.

Fictional, i dunno, id need to examine that six inch bolt running through your neck
before I draw any conclusions.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Yes i understand that science is gaining an understanding of how nature works, through
observation, that is all good and well, however to state that the scientist is not
responsible for the technologies they produce is a nonsense, as nonsensical as Dr
Frankenstein claiming that he is not responsible for the monster he created.

I've never claimed that scientists are not responsible for the technologied they produce.

Originally posted by kevcvs57
But when people ask about Gods responsibility for His/Her creation and all the negative aspects of it theist chunder on about 'free will'; why the double standards for scientists?

no double standards, the point is the googly foogly is trying to palm us off with a
version of science that simply isn't true, note how he squirms when one mentions the
terrible things that have happened as a consequence of applying technologies, notice
how he attempts to shift the blame as if we are not responsible for the things we
create, notice his unfounded and biased belief that science will solve all our problems,
meaner than the meanest medieval monk.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
I've never claimed that scientists are not responsible for the technologied they produce.

googly smoogly is as we speak!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
googly smoogly is as we speak!

Seriously five-year-old's can make better insults than that.

And no that is not what I am saying at all and you would know that if you had the intellect of a typical watermelon.
Can you actually construct an argument that isn't a straw man?


The misuse of technology is indeed bad which is why it is called 'misuse' however the fact that some technology
has and is being misused does not mean that all technology or even that majority of technology is bad or is being
misused.

What technology is used and how is up to society to determine.

The purpose of science is to give us the knowledge and information about the world and how it works so we can invent
technology and determine how best to use it.


The knowledge we have about the bad effects of some of our technology ALL come from science and the information we
need to mitigate or stop these bad consequences ALL comes from science.

Science is about the pursuit of knowledge, and knowledge is neither good nor bad.
How we use it is.

But how we use technology is not up to science but the society we live in.

Scientists are screaming that we need to deal with issues like climate change and pollution and it is society at large that is
doing nothing about it.


Blaming science as the 'boogie man' is both factually incorrect and unhelpful seeing as it is the knowledge we gain from science
that will enable us to solve these problems should we ever get around to deciding to do so.

Originally posted by googlefudge
Seriously five-year-old's can make better insults than that.

And no that is not what I am saying at all and you would know that if you had the intellect of a typical watermelon.
Can you actually construct an argument that isn't a straw man?


The misuse of technology is indeed bad which is why it is called 'misuse' however the fact that some tech ...[text shortened]... hat will enable us to solve these problems should we ever get around to deciding to do so.

All Hail the God of science!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
no double standards, the point is the googly foogly is trying to palm us off with a
version of science that simply isn't true, note how he squirms when one mentions the
terrible things that have happened as a consequence of applying technologies, notice
how he attempts to shift the blame as if we are not responsible for the things we
create, ...[text shortened]... iased belief that science will solve all our problems,
meaner than the meanest medieval monk.

Well all I would say is that nuclear materials can help to cure cancer in the hands of a Physician or destroy the world in the hands of a General, but I think we should take a shared responsibility rather than blame the Scientist; I am sure the vast majority of them wish to improve the lot of mankind( as I am sure do you and googly woogly).

Originally posted by kevcvs57
Well all I would say is that nuclear materials can help to cure cancer in the hands of a Physician or destroy the world in the hands of a General, but I think we should take a shared responsibility rather than blame the Scientist; I am sure the vast majority of them wish to improve the lot of mankind( as I am sure do you and googly woogly).

there is at present no cure for cancer, radiation simply kills the cancerous cells, but I
understand what you are saying, never the less, those scientists which are involved in
weapons programs share a responsibility for the use of the technologies which they are
developing.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
All Hail the God of science!

I'll drink to that. After all science helped us understand fermentation better. It can't be all bad.

Originally posted by Ullr
I'll drink to that. After all science helped us understand fermentation better. It can't be all bad.

The Belgians simply leave the beer near a field so that the natural yeast in the air ferments it, no need of science, Luddite's let us unite!