16 Jul 22
@divegeester said😀
Looks like KellyJay is going to avoid this thread AND the post where I questioned him on it in the other thread.
Interesting.
16 Jul 22
@divegeester saidYou are bringing up three different topics that have some things about them that
I’m starting a thread on this so that it doesn’t get obfuscated in a current other thread.
Some Christians claim that:
- Burning billions of people alive - is morally acceptable.
- abortion - is morally unacceptable.
- executing people for certain specific heinous proven crimes ????
are related and in common, but they are different, so not all thoughts about one
or some will also be true when we look at the others.
What people accept or reject as morally acceptable or right doesn't change the
the truth of Hell, as it doesn't change anything else that people like or dislike that
is true; opinions don't change reality, no matter how heartfelt. It doesn't matter
what we think about it; if God is going to judge and condemn some to Hell, then
to Hell they go. If all you are going to bring to the table when discussing Hell are
your feelings, and reject the source of all knowledge about Hell in favor of your
feeling then reasoning about with you will be completely useless you are
basing everything you have to say about Hell on your feelings, nothing more.
Abortion is taking an innocent human life at any stage of pregnancy. If it isn't to
save the mother's life, it is for feelings about one thing or another. If you find that
acceptable based on feelings, then again, no reasoning will sway you; otherwise,
it is feelings, not logic, not scripture.
Crime and punishment have been established from the beginning of human history,
and there has been no change that suggests that it has ended. Please do not
confuse that with salvation because we can commit crimes, be forgiven for them,
and still have to stand trial and pay for our wrongs. God's forgiveness doesn't play
a part in our judicial systems.
@kellyjay saidAbortion is taking an innocent human life at any stage of pregnancy. So, in your opinion, when does life begin in the womb? When is the fetus or glob of cells considered a child or person?
You are bringing up three different topics that have some things about them that
are related and in common, but they are different, so not all thoughts about one
or some will also be true when we look at the others.
What people accept or reject as morally acceptable or right doesn't change the
the truth of Hell, as it doesn't change anything else that people like or di ...[text shortened]... stand trial and pay for our wrongs. God's forgiveness doesn't play
a part in our judicial systems.
There is much wrong in this post of yours. However, we will start with the question above. When does a Childs life begin in a mothers womb according to you?
P.S. Don't let your feelings take control. Nothing but the Facts; God's Holy Scriptures' are welcome also.
@kellyjay said“When we kill off someone is not be compared to when God does it, unless you think you are God.”
You are bringing up three different topics that have some things about them that
are related and in common, but they are different, so not all thoughts about one
or some will also be true when we look at the others.
What people accept or reject as morally acceptable or right doesn't change the
the truth of Hell, as it doesn't change anything else that people like or di ...[text shortened]... stand trial and pay for our wrongs. God's forgiveness doesn't play
a part in our judicial systems.
- Quote by KellyJay
Source
https://www.redhotpawn.com/forum/spirituality/what-is-a-“bible-believing-christian”.193878/page-3
6th post
@kellyjay saidIt’s intersting to me to see you recognise that you have dug yourself into an intellectual hole, and you then duck out of the forum (well the threads in question anyway) for day or so while you decide if or how you are going to deal with it.
Really?
But rather than own it, rather than acknowledge your error, your pride drives you to double-down with a few posts of silliness and then you realise that’s not gonna cover it so you post a sonship style flyposter of waffle.
It’s facinating behaviour to observe and representative of the main reason I come to this forum.
17 Jul 22
@kingdavid403 saidA bunch of cells is the beginning of the process, and at no point are we ever not a bunch of cells. What we call a person is just a definition we apply to ourselves. Allowed to go through all the natural processes in every stage of human development we begin and can end an elderly person. Kill that person at any stage all of us had to go through we end a life.
Abortion is taking an innocent human life at any stage of pregnancy. So, in your opinion, when does life begin in the womb? When is the fetus or glob of cells considered a child or person?
There is much wrong in this post of yours. However, we will start with the question above. When does a Childs life begin in a mothers womb according to you?
P.S. Don't let your feelings take control. Nothing but the Facts; God's Holy Scriptures' are welcome also.
Do a word search on the word womb in scripture and see God’s involvement with our lives. Staying ignorant while speaking about matters of ending a human life and making claims that it’s okay isn’t wise.
17 Jul 22
@divegeester saidDid you have a point?
“When we kill off someone is not be compared to when God does it, unless you think you are God.”
- Quote by KellyJay
Source
https://www.redhotpawn.com/forum/spirituality/what-is-a-“bible-believing-christian”.193878/page-3
6th post
@divegeester saidI think you have no idea what I think and feel, you must feel very superior in your opinion of yourself. So unless you have something that you wish to discuss besides yourself and your low opinion of me please make your point. I am not going to banter about how superior you think you are. Neither do I care what your opinion of me is, if all this is for you is a chance at some cheap shots at me I will leave you to it. I wasn’t even posting in this and you bring my name up. You asked me in this from another discussion and I came and instead of the points you choose me as the topic, get a life dive. You only come to this forum to criticize others how sad!
It’s intersting to me to see you recognise that you have dug yourself into an intellectual hole, and you then duck out of the forum (well the threads in question anyway) for day or so while you decide if or how you are going to deal with it.
But rather than own it, rather than acknowledge your error, your pride drives you to double-down with a few posts of silliness a ...[text shortened]...
It’s facinating behaviour to observe and representative of the main reason I come to this forum.