15 Jul 22
@kingdavid403 saidIt is murder to abort a baby except in certain cases when the mother's life is threatened, and then the issue is between the mother and her doctor.
Excellent question for the anti-choice pro-lifers. They stumble on this one every time.
"Anti-choice" is political claptrap. You "stumbled".
15 Jul 22
@kingdavid403 saidRomans 13:1-4
In the Old Covenant, not the New. Good point tho.
¶ Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
"Old and New covenant" is relative to salvation and the new birth. It does not mean that the law is done away with with regards to crime and punishment in any given judicial systems.
Genesis 9:6
Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.
The New covenant doesn't abolish capital punishment. That would be a gross misinterpretation and application of the law of God.
Your error is in cross-contextualizing and the misapplication of doctrine.
Capital punishment is a dispensational matter not related to the theological issue of the "Old and New covenants".
I don't expect you'll have an inkling of an idea about what I'm saying.
15 Jul 22
@kingdavid403 saidFrom this response it is clear
Where did I make that statement?
JW said - If you are tried and convicted of murder God commands that you be executed.
You said - In the Old Covenant, not the New.
If you meant something else then please clarify
@josephw said@josephw said
Romans 13:1-4
¶ Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? ...[text shortened]... "Old and New covenants".
I don't expect you'll have an inkling of an idea about what I'm saying.
Romans 13:1-4
¶ Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God.
Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation.
For rulers are not a terror to good works, but to the evil. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? do that which is good, and thou shalt have praise of the same:
For he is the minister of God to thee for good. But if thou do that which is evil, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth evil.
Great Scriptures, and I 100% agree with THEM.
"Old and New covenant" is relative to salvation and the new birth.
I Agree.
It does not mean that the law is done away with with regards to crime and punishment in any given judicial systems.
Again, I agree.
Genesis 9:6: Whoso sheddeth man's blood, by man shall his blood be shed: for in the image of God made he man.
This is Old Testament Law under the Old Covenant. Jesus fulfilled this Covenant to make way for the New Covenant. Because no man was ever found who could keep the Old Covenant. Some came close; however, no cigars.
The New covenant doesn't abolish capital punishment.
I never said it did.
Your error is in cross-contextualizing and the misapplication of doctrine.
Capital punishment is a dispensational matter not related to the theological issue of the "Old and New covenants".
So much for all that Love and Forgiveness that Jesus taught us, Huh?
I don't expect you'll have an inkling of an idea about what I'm saying.
I understand what you're saying. What is it you do not think I understand?
@josephw saidIt is murder to abort a baby
It is murder to abort a baby except in certain cases when the mother's life is threatened, and then the issue is between the mother and her doctor.
"Anti-choice" is political claptrap. You "stumbled".
Who said anything about aborting a baby?
except in certain cases when the mother's life is threatened,
So if a mother's life is in danger, one should kill her baby too? Why?
the issue is between the mother and her doctor.
Very good. You're growing.
"Anti-choice" is political claptrap. You "stumbled".
"Pro-Life" is the political claptrap. That's why your here arguing that it's okay for us to end live living lives, in certain case only of course ("stumbled" as usual). Talk about hypocrisy.
So much for all the innocent people convicted of murder who have been put to death, huh?
Much of the world is now against the death penalty today.
15 Jul 22
@josephw saidIt is murder to abort a baby
It is murder to abort a baby except in certain cases when the mother's life is threatened, and then the issue is between the mother and her doctor.
"Anti-choice" is political claptrap. You "stumbled".
https://www.oxfordlearnersdictionaries.com/us/definition/english/abort
"Definition of abort verb from the Oxford Advanced Learner's Dictionary
abort verb
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Verb Forms
β[transitive] abort something to end a pregnancy early in order to prevent a baby from developing and being born alive
to abort a child/pregnancy/fetus
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β[intransitive] (specialist) to give birth to a child or young animal too early for it to survive
The virus can cause pregnant animals to abort.
SEE ALSO miscarry
β[intransitive, transitive] to end or cause something to end before it has been completed, especially because it is likely to fail
(computing) If the wrong password is given the program aborts.
abort something We had no option but to abort the mission.
The plan was aborted at the last minute.
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16 Jul 22
@fmf saidAssuming you live in a country with open borders, your remaining there is tacit consent to the laws in force there. Assuming you live in a country with some functioning mechanism for changing laws (I.e., you’re not living under a caliphate), your not having campaigned to overturn laws you consider to be immoral (e.g., capital punishment, criminalization of homosexual acts, whatever), constitutes tacit consent.
I do not give my consent to the state to execute me.
16 Jul 22
@moonbus saidI realize, of course, that if the state decides to execute me for something, then that is what is going to happen, regardless of whether I approve of the death penalty or not. Accepting that this could happen to me is not the same as giving consent.
Assuming you live in a country with open borders, your remaining there is tacit consent to the laws in force there. Assuming you live in a country with some functioning mechanism for changing laws (I.e., you’re not living under a caliphate), your not having campaigned to overturn laws you consider to be immoral (e.g., capital punishment, criminalization of homosexual acts, whatever), constitutes tacit consent.