Is Jesus of New T LORD/Jehovah of the Old T?

Originally posted by divegeester
Are you going to respond to my earlier detailed post? I'd be interested in responses to each part and especially the piece about you questioning the infallibility of the word of God.

Thanks

I just answered one of your postings, but no responce to that? Ok. What other one are you speaking of?

Originally posted by galveston75
I just answered one of your postings, but no responce to that? Ok. What other one are you speaking of?

As I said your claim that the Bible is not reliable?

Originally posted by divegeester
As I said your claim that the Bible is not reliable?

It's completely truthful and trust worthy. Why do you ask my dear friend? You don't believe it is?
PS..I'm waiting for your responce from my earlier post..........

Originally posted by galveston75
It's completely truthful and trust worthy. Why do you ask my dear friend? You don't believe it is?
PS..I'm waiting for your responce from my earlier post..........

When I ask if you are going to respond to the OP or the three detailed replies I gave to yours, I did not mean that you simply post more JW opinion. I'm asking you to explain the scriptures I've give in the OP, not to just keep telling everyone who disagrees with you or robbie that we have much to learn, or we "have know idea", or we can't see "the bigger picture" etc etc. Can't you see that this makes you look like you don't know the answer and are just avoiding addressing it?

I see robbie has disappeared altogether from this thread no doubt telling you not to bother with me as I'm a lost cause or something. Perhaps he can help you explain the very precise scriptures in the OP.

Here are 2 of the points/scriptures you have completely avoided explaining:

Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

I believe this quote from you was trying to explain why it contradicts JW doctrine on the Godhead:
Galveston: "But with the translations being altered in the past ever so slightly by ones that were trying to promote the trinity doctrine it easy to see why the confusions are there in most bibles."

My response was:
divegeester: So now you are attacking the infallibility of the Word of God to defend your position?

And you have since said in this thread (after some prompting) that the work of God is actually infallible. So why are you using your above quote to claim the scriptures I've given you are mistranslated?

And if Gods word is infalible (which we seem to agree on) then clearly it states without any ambiguity that the Child who is Prince of Peace and the Spirit who is the Wonderful Councillor are one and the same as the Everlasting Father and Mighty God?

There is no trinity or duality - there is one God in several manifestations, including Jesus.

Originally posted by divegeester
When I ask if you are going to respond to the OP or the three detailed replies I gave to yours, I did not mean that you simply post more JW opinion. I'm asking you to explain the scriptures I've give in the OP, not to just keep telling everyone who disagrees with you or robbie that we have much to learn, or we "have know idea", or we can't see "the bigge o trinity or duality - there is one God in several manifestations, including Jesus.

I see robbie has disappeared altogether from this thread no doubt telling you not to
bother with me as I'm a lost cause or something - divesgeester

oh dear, I have been busy working to provide for my family, being self employed, if
I dont work I dont eat, that aside, there is a wonderful scripture which i think you
might to well to reflect upon, Paul speaking of love declares,

(1 Corinthians 13:7) . . .It bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things,
endures all things.

of course the import of the text is that if love believes all things, we shall of course
impute good motives to others, a verse for reflection. As for the debate, as yet i
have seen no evidence for the assertion and not one of the points that i raised has
been answered therefore why should i persist in a debate where my opinion counts
for nothing? If you are not satisfied with the G-mans explanations, you are hardly
likely to be satisfied with mine, for we are in a spiritual sense brothers, and our
beliefs are the same.

you may of course like to tell the forum the Hebrew word used for mighty God, and
then compare that with the Hebrew word for almighty God, a word which is used for
no one but Jehovah himself, for in doing so, you shall be able to differentiate
between the two, for clearly Christ was not one termed in scripture as the Almighty,
no not on one single occasion, making the assertion that he is one and the same,
clearly erroneous.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I see robbie has disappeared altogether from this thread no doubt telling you not to
bother with me as I'm a lost cause or something - divesgeester

oh dear, I have been busy working to provide for my family, being self employed, if
I dont work I dont eat, that aside, there is a wonderful scripture which i think you
might to well to reflect u ...[text shortened]... ripture as the Almighty,
making the assertion that he is one and the same, clearly erroneous.

for we are in a spiritual sense brothers, and our beliefs are the same.

Reads -

We have been assimilated by the collective, we are now the Borg!!!!

Originally posted by Proper Knob
[b]for we are in a spiritual sense brothers, and our beliefs are the same.

Reads -

We have been assimilated by the collective, we are now the Borg!!!![/b]

Lol, actually my dear friend, its termed unity and its in our eyes a beautiful and
precious thing, to be guarded and treasured. I have never personally met the G-man,
but i would unhesitatingly give him the keys of my home. I have a family coming to
stay from the North of Scotland, a Dutch Fellow and his wife and family, I met them
last year when i was doing some work in Perth, when i am on holiday they will stay in
my home with their family, no problemo! its a beautiful thing this Christian unity, to be
sure.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Lol, actually my dear friend, its termed unity and its in our eyes a beautiful and
precious thing, to be guarded and treasured. I have never personally met the G-man,
but i would unhesitatingly give him the keys of my home. I have a family coming to
stay from the North of Scotland, a Dutch Fellow and his wife and family, I met them
last year ...[text shortened]... y home with their family, no problemo! its a beautiful thing this Christian unity, to be
sure.

But that 'unity', as you term it, is not just held by Christians. There are numerous people on this website, and others, that i frequent of which i could say the same thing. You think it's come special Christian trait, but i bet there are Christians you wouldn't let in your house and non-believers who you would.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
But that 'unity', as you term it, is not just held by Christians. There are numerous people on this website, and others, that i frequent of which i could say the same thing. You think it's come special Christian trait, but i bet there are Christians you wouldn't let in your house and non-believers who you would.

this sharing is merely a manifestation of our faith and just by way of example, however
the real basis for such comes because we have unity of worship. You cannot say the
same of the Christians on this forum, they all profess different things, have different
moral standards, etc, same with the atheists, we are unique in the sense that we are
truly united in thought and deed, is it not the case?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
this sharing is merely a manifestation of our faith and just by way of example, however
the real basis for such comes because we have unity of worship. You cannot say the
same of the Christians on this forum, they all profess different things, have different
moral standards, etc, same with the atheists, we are unique in the sense that we are
truly united in thought and deed, is it not the case?

With 33,000 different denominations of Christianity is hardly surprising the Christians in this forum differ over so many points. In reality though it's mainly the JW's vs The Rest.

You do have a worship of unity but then so does every other Christian denomination. If we had two members of a Sharon Full Gospel Church posting in these forums they would have a worship of unity and be united in thought and deed. You've no doubt been taught/indoctrinated to think your organisation is somehow 'special', but i would imagine so has every other Christian in any of the countless different denominations.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
With 33,000 different denominations of Christianity is hardly surprising the Christians in this forum differ over so many points. In reality though it's mainly the JW's vs The Rest.

You do have a worship of unity but then so does every other Christian denomination. If we had two members of a Sharon Full Gospel Church posting in these forums they would would imagine so has every other Christian in any of the countless different denominations.

not likely my son, look at the Anglicans, they were so peeved off they went and joined
the Catholics, same with lots of the denominations, they are fragmented and beliefs
differ from individual to individual. We are special, in fact, we are the special ones,
even as Murinho is the special one of football, we are the special ones of Christianity.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
not likely my son, look at the Anglicans, they were so peeved off they went and joined
the Catholics, same with lots of the denominations, they are fragmented and beliefs
differ from individual to individual. We are special, in fact, we are the special ones,
even as Murinho is the special one of football, we are the special ones of Christianity.

Your 'special' alright i'll give you that.

You are correct about the Anglicans and Catholics, but Christians leave their congregations all the time for various different reasons. As you well know there are numerous websites and forums setup for ex-Witnesses. People leave your organistion just as any other.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Your 'special' alright i'll give you that.

You are correct about the Anglicans and Catholics, but Christians leave their congregations all the time for various different reasons. As you well know there are numerous websites and forums setup for ex-Witnesses. People leave your organistion just as any other.

yes that is true dear Noobster, but it still does not account for why almost to the
individual, persons have differing opinions as to the morality of a certain issue or to an
aspect of worship, whereas we are united in this regard.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yes that is true dear Noobster, but it still does not account for why almost to the
individual, persons have differing opinions as to the morality of a certain issue or to an
aspect of worship, whereas we are united in this regard.

whereas we are united in this regard

And so are numerous other denominations of Christianity and other faiths.

Originally posted by Proper Knob
[b]whereas we are united in this regard

And so are numerous other denominations of Christianity and other faiths.[/b]

no not really for they will usually have differing personal opinions with say regard to
major issues, like divorce, or abortion, or homosexuality, or use of images in worship,
the use of contraceptives, or evolution, etc etc , we have none of these issues and are
down to an individual, convinced of the integrity of our claims. For example if you
asked any ordinary and not special one these things you may likely get differing
answers.