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Literal vs Metaphor challenge

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Do you have it everybody?

Dive can ask hard questions.
So good for him!
When answered he can re-ask and re-ask again and again saying no answer was given.

And those questioned by him run away.
Answers which are reasonable he finds hilarious.

Now he would only answer question to HIM when you have answered his question as HE wants the words to come out of your mouth. Oh, he promises that he will answer the scores of questions that he dodges, BUT only after he can put his words into your mouth as your answer.

Since that usually doesn't happen he has an excuse to ignore every tough question to him.

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@divegeester said
In another thread KellyJay said of Revelation 19

“It’s all literal, not metaphors”

He’s been hemming and hawing every since.
I said take it literally or not, neither change the truth with in regardless of how you look at it. If you cannot process that, use literal, it doesn’t matter to me!

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@divegeester said
Oh dear.

Game over I think.
Zzzzzz

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@divegeester

To any Christian with courage and honesty...

Is the book of Revelation to be read as being entirely literal. YES or NO?

Simple straightforward question


STRAIGHORWARD ANSWER (again):

Revelation is a book which reveals literal things many of which are made known by SIGNS. See Revelation 1:1.

Now a straighforward answer from you Dive.

On what basis should we believe that Christ will literally "reign forever and ever " (Rev. 11:15) but the Devil and his hosts will not literally be "tormented ... forever and ever " ( Rev. 20:10) ?

Let me help you. I mean GENUINELY help you.

Are you saying Revelation 11:15 is literal because it conforms to the character of God, but Revelation 20:10 is NOT literal because it does NOT conform to the character of God.

Is that your argument ?

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@divegeester

To any Christian with courage and honesty...

Is the book of Revelation to be read as being entirely literal. YES or NO?

Simple straightforward question


STRAIGHORWARD ANSWER (again):

Revelation is a book which reveals literal things many of which are made known by SIGNS. See Revelation 1:1.

Now a straighf ...[text shortened]... 0[/b] is NOT literal because it does NOT conform to the character of God.

Is that your argument ?
Is that a yes or a no?



Crazy days LOL

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@sonship said
Do you have it everybody?

Dive can ask hard questions.
So good for him!
When answered he can re-ask and re-ask again and again saying no answer was given.

And those questioned by him run away.
Answers which are reasonable he finds hilarious.

Now he would only answer question to HIM when you have answered his question as HE wants the words to come out of your mou ...[text shortened]... answer.

Since that usually doesn't happen he has an excuse to ignore every tough question to him.
Oh dear again.

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@divegeester

Do you think people will not notice that you are not being reasonable ?

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350 posts and I still can’t get a straight answer of of sonship or KellyJay. Now I wonder why that is...

Could it be that if one of them admits that parts of Revelation are NOT literal, then they will have to acknowledge that potientially eternal torture in hell is not literal.

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On what basis should we believe that Christ will literally "reign forever and ever " (Rev. 11:15) but the Devil and his hosts will not literally be "tormented ... forever and ever " ( Rev. 20:10) ?

Let me help you. I mean GENUINELY help you.

Are you saying Revelation 11:15 is literal because it conforms to the character of God, but Revelation 20:10 is NOT literal because it does NOT conform to the character of God.

Is that your argument ?

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@sonship said
Kellyjay,

I am probably 75% familar with all the posts in this thread. I have missed some.

Did you tell Divegeester or anyone that this passage means to you a literal Godzilla like beast will arise out of the sea in the future - QUITE LITERALLY ?

I don't trust Divegeester to take his word for it above. Did you convey that thought, please ?

[quote] Revelat ...[text shortened]... terpretation. Not all readers of the book argee on how to interpret things. I'm sure you know this.
KellyJay sonship asked you great questions in this post on 22 page, you seem to have accidentally overlooked them.



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@sonship said
On what basis should we believe that Christ will literally "reign forever and ever " (Rev. 11:15) but the Devil and his hosts will not literally be "tormented ... forever and ever " ( Rev. 20:10) ?

Let me help you. I mean GENUINELY help you.

Are you saying Revelation 11:15 is literal because it conforms to the character of God, but Revelatio ...[text shortened]... is NOT literal because it does NOT conform to the character of God.

Is that your argument ?
This is the original question STILL waiting to be answered:

Is the book of Revelation meant to be read as being entirely literal. YES or NO?

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@divegeester

Could it be that if one of them admits that parts of Revelation are NOT literal, then they will have to acknowledge that potientially eternal torture in hell is not literal.


Yes it is possible. But is it the most likely interpretation?

It is equally logically possible that God and Christ actually will NOT reign forever and ever. Where though is the more likely correct interpretation?

He will reign eternally or He will not reign eternally?

On what basis should I believe Christ and the saints will reign forever and ever LITERALLY, but the Devil and hosts with lost will not be tormented forever and ever LITERALLY?

Fill in the blank -

"The FORMER take literally. But the latter do not take literally BECAUSE ___________________________________"

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@divegeester

Is the book of Revelation meant to be read as being entirely literal. YES or NO?


It is meant to be taken as it INSTRUCTS the audience TO take it.

"The revelation of Jesus Christ which God gave to Him to show to His slaves the things that must quickly take place;

and He made it known by signs, sending it by His angel to His slave John." (Revelation 1:1)


Now explain why this is not an answer to your question.

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@sonship said
@divegeester

Do you think people will not notice that you are not being reasonable ?
I’m being perfectly reasonable in the face of blatant dishonesty.

Tell me, has KellyJay answered your question from page 22 yet?

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@sonship said
@divegeester

Is the book of Revelation meant to be read as being entirely literal. YES or NO?


It is meant to be taken as it INSTRUCTS the audience TO take it.
So is that a YES or a NO?

Has KellyJay answered you excellent (but probably highly regretted) question from page 22?

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