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I will answer any question you put to me once you have answered the original question in hand.
The dichotomy you attempt to establish is put in the form of a tricky binary question. It is not a yes or no answer.
There are things meant literally in Revelation which are communicated in signs. That's what the very FIRST verse in the book TELLS US.
I am not interested in perpetual one-upsman-ship or anything other than getting to the best interpretation of the Bible.
You are not being evaded.
Is Revelation literal or not?
Revelation reveals literal matters which are made known by signs.
And I'll tell you Divegeester, the way you react with mocking glee at this argument, referring with contempt to "brave Christians" rather than your brothers and sisters in Christ, does make me wonder about you.
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Kellyjay,
I am probably 75% familar with all the posts in this thread. I have missed some.
Did you tell Divegeester or anyone that this passage means to you a literal Godzilla like beast will arise out of the sea in the future - QUITE LITERALLY ?
I don't trust Divegeester to take his word for it above. Did you convey that thought, please ?
Revelation 13: 1-2
And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
If you can answer this then I might go on to analyze what is really going on in this debate as far as I can see.
Signs and symbols and metaphors all require interpretation. Not all readers of the book argee on how to interpret things. I'm sure you know this.
05 Nov 18
@divegeester saidIf it is what he saw, he saw it, there are visions that get explained in scripture,
OK - explain to me what the bible here "SAYS" vs what it "MEANS"?
Revelation 13: 1-2
And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and ...[text shortened]... mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
05 Nov 18
@divegeester saidAnd?
According to KellyJay these words mean what they say.
Sounds like something out of Jules Verne's Journey to the Center of the Earth to me
05 Nov 18
@sonship saidI am at work so not going to put in any time into this now.
Kellyjay,
I am probably 75% familar with all the posts in this thread. I have missed some.
Did you tell Divegeester or anyone that this passage means to you a literal Godzilla like beast will arise out of the sea in the future - QUITE LITERALLY ?
I don't trust Divegeester to take his word for it above. Did you convey that thought, please ?
[quote] Revelat ...[text shortened]... terpretation. Not all readers of the book argee on how to interpret things. I'm sure you know this.
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@divegeester saidDivegrester claims the words ‘eternal torture’ don’t mean ‘eternal torture’ and yet he is somehow placing to burden of proof on Kelly to prove that they do mean that. Incredible. 🤔
According to KellyJay these words mean what they say.
Sounds like something out of Jules Verne's Journey to the Center of the Earth to me
@dj2becker saidHe hasn’t even come up with a reason that he has shared to support the need to make it mean something different than what it clearly says. And he has no clue what it should mean outside of the fact it cannot mean what it says, according to him.
Divegrester claims the words ‘eternal torture’ don’t mean ‘eternal torture’ and yet he is somehow placing to burden of proof on Kelly to prove that they do mean that. Incredible. 🤔
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@kellyjay saidWhat!
If it is what he saw, he saw it, there are visions that get explained in scripture,
It’s a vision of a multi-headed monster coming out of the sea and you expect me to believe that you believe that it’s real?
Go on KellyJay, tell us that you truly believe that it will really exist it will really be one of the things to come...please...
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@kellyjay saidTell us what it means then. Seriously KellyJay if those verses “clearly say” .... something, then do tell me what those two verses “mean”.
He hasn’t even come up with a reason that he has shared to support the need to make it mean something different than what it clearly says. And he has no clue what it should mean outside of the fact it cannot mean what it says, according to him.
Here you go buddy...
Revelation 13: 1-2
And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasphemy.
And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
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@sonship saidGood luck getting a straight answer. He’s ducked out already.
Kellyjay,
I am probably 75% familar with all the posts in this thread. I have missed some.
Did you tell Divegeester or anyone that this passage means to you a literal Godzilla like beast will arise out of the sea in the future - QUITE LITERALLY ?
I don't trust Divegeester to take his word for it above. Did you convey that thought, please ?
[quote] Revelat ...[text shortened]... terpretation. Not all readers of the book argee on how to interpret things. I'm sure you know this.
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@sonship saidIn another thread KellyJay said of Revelation 19
Kellyjay,
I am probably 75% familar with all the posts in this thread. I have missed some.
Did you tell Divegeester or anyone that this passage means to you a literal Godzilla like beast will arise out of the sea in the future - QUITE LITERALLY ?
I don't trust Divegeester to take his word for it above. Did you convey that thought, please ?
[quote] Revelat ...[text shortened]... terpretation. Not all readers of the book argee on how to interpret things. I'm sure you know this.
“It’s all literal, not metaphors”
He’s been hemming and hawing every since.
05 Nov 18
@divegeester saidGo read the whole book this is explained in it.
Tell us what it means then. Seriously KellyJay if those verses “clearly say” .... something, then do tell me what those two verses “mean”.
Here you go buddy...
Revelation 13: 1-2
And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a beast rise up out of the sea, having seven heads and ten horns, and upon his horns ten crowns, and upon his heads the name of blasph ...[text shortened]... th as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.