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Originally posted by galveston75So are you another one of these Christians whose Lord is the Bible?
It was never written down in the Bible once. So one would think if it had been said by anyone it would be there. If you know of it written in the bible, show me.
For trinitarians it is a major issue and something that is BIG so to say. But yet that BIG doctrine that Mary had "Almighty God" or a part of him as a baby is totally missing from the Bible.
...[text shortened]... show their power over humans.
But "nowhere" is Jesus ever called the ALMIGHTY GOD....ever.
So one would think if it had been said by anyone it would be there.Just because something is not in the Bible doesn't mean it didn't happen. And clearly, the Bible does not contain every conversation that ever took place on earth. Just because something is not in the Bible doesn't mean no one ever said it.
I mean the Bible can only be so big. It cannot contain every single aspect of human life on this planet. One example would be popular opinion. I really doubt the Bible has exhaustive coverage of the local popular opinion everywhere on earth, for even a short period of time, much less the entire history of man.
19 Aug 12
Originally posted by SuzianneIt's not my word, it's the translation of the Hebrew. BTW, what does my belief or lack of belief have to do with translating something from Hebrew to English?
Bwahahahahaha!
You think it's all hooey anyways, so we should take YOUR word on what translation is "more accurate"?
I don't think so.
19 Aug 12
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Originally posted by Phil HillThe KJV of the Holy Bible is a translation of the Hebrew and the Greek. 😏
It's not my word, it's the translation of the Hebrew. BTW, what does my belief or lack of belief have to do with translating something from Hebrew to English?
HalleluYah !!! Praise the Lord!
19 Aug 12
Originally posted by galveston75Ok then why call him Immanuel ? and they shall call His name Immanuel
It wasn't his name but it was a name that was used in the past to show God's attention was there or that someone was representing him.
A three year old can grasp this but not a brainwashed person
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19 Aug 12
Originally posted by galveston75You said, "Satan has been called a God."
It was never written down in the Bible once. So one would think if it had been said by anyone it would be there. If you know of it written in the bible, show me.
For trinitarians it is a major issue and something that is BIG so to say. But yet that BIG doctrine that Mary had "Almighty God" or a part of him as a baby is totally missing from the Bible.
...[text shortened]... show their power over humans.
But "nowhere" is Jesus ever called the ALMIGHTY GOD....ever.
Correction: That should be "god" not "God" in reference to Satan the devil.
The phrase “god of this world” (or “god of this age” [NKJV]) indicates that Satan is the major influence on the mind-set expressed by the ideals, opinions, goals, hopes and views of the majority of people. His areas of influence also encompass the world’s philosophies, education, and commerce. The thoughts, ideas, speculations and false religions of the world are under his control and have sprung from his lies and deceptions.
http://www.gotquestions.org/Satan-god-world.html
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19 Aug 12
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Originally posted by galveston75But that's not a problem for Trinitarians who, on the whole, do not believe in the doctrine of sola scriptura and are quite willing to accept that the doctrine of the Trinity was worked out only after a long ecclesial process of discovery. The lack of explicit scriptural reference may be an obstacle to you, but not to them.
It was never written down in the Bible once. So one would think if it had been said by anyone it would be there. If you know of it written in the bible, show me.
For trinitarians it is a major issue and something that is BIG so to say. But yet that BIG doctrine that Mary had "Almighty God" or a part of him as a baby is totally missing from the Bible.
...[text shortened]... show their power over humans.
But "nowhere" is Jesus ever called the ALMIGHTY GOD....ever.
The reasons that people are called 'god' in the scriptures are many and varied. Books in the biblical canon come from a range of periods and clearly some books were composed before a monotheistic theology was decided on. But it would quite extraordinary for Jesus to be called God. Thomas' address to Jesus as 'My God and my Lord' is clearly more meaningful than a statement of Jesus' authority. Satan is not called a god in the New Testament.
20 Aug 12
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Originally posted by Conrau KSo the use of the word "Lord" and "God" in connection with Jesus would automatically mean he is the "Almighty God"?
But that's not a problem for Trinitarians who, on the whole, do not believe in the doctrine of sola scriptura and are quite willing to accept that the doctrine of the Trinity was worked out only after a long ecclesial process of discovery. The lack of explicit scriptural reference may be an obstacle to you, but not to them.
The reasons that peopl ful than a statement of Jesus' authority. Satan is not called a god in the New Testament.
And it's ok to believe in the trinity even though it was NEVER believed, taught, or even slightly mentioned by Jesus, the apostles or just not in the Bible period? Ok, I see now!!!
So even though the Bible completely forbids and gives a very clear warning to not add anything to the Bible in Rev 22:18, it's ok to do this with the trinity?
20 Aug 12
Originally posted by galveston75The word 'trinity" is still not in the Holy Bible. So it is wrong to say we added it to the Holy Bible. The word "trinity" is a short way of relating what we Christians believe the Holy Bible says about the relationship of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
So the use of the word "Lord" and "God" in connection with Jesus would automatically mean he is the "Almighty God"?
And it's ok to believe in the trinity even though it was NEVER believed, taught, or even slightly mentioned by Jesus, the apostles or just not in the Bible period? Ok, I see now!!!
So even though the Bible completely forbids and giv ...[text shortened]... ning to not add anything to the Bible in Rev 22:18, it's ok to do this with the trinity?
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20 Aug 12
Originally posted by galveston75So the use of the word "Lord" and "God" in connection with Jesus would automatically mean he is the "Almighty God"?
So the use of the word "Lord" and "God" in connection with Jesus would automatically mean he is the "Almighty God"?
And it's ok to believe in the trinity even though it was NEVER believed, taught, or even slightly mentioned by Jesus, the apostles or just not in the Bible period? Ok, I see now!!!
So even though the Bible completely forbids and giv ...[text shortened]... ning to not add anything to the Bible in Rev 22:18, it's ok to do this with the trinity?
Of course. What other god is there?
And it's ok to believe in the trinity even though it was NEVER believed, taught, or even slightly mentioned by Jesus, the apostles or just not in the Bible period? Ok, I see now!!!
Again, I don't see any immediate problem with a lack of explicit biblical reference.
So even though the Bible completely forbids and gives a very clear warning to not add anything to the Bible in Rev 22:18, it's ok to do this with the trinity?
I don't think that is what Revelations is talking about. Revelations is perhaps the latest book of the Scriptures but it is impossible that its author had access to the other canonical books. Revelations 22:18 could only mean the prophecies contained in Revelations.
20 Aug 12
Originally posted by Conrau KDon't you mean to say, "Of course. What other God is there?" After all, Satan is described as the god of this world.
[b]So the use of the word "Lord" and "God" in connection with Jesus would automatically mean he is the "Almighty God"?
Of course. What other god is there?
And it's ok to believe in the trinity even though it was NEVER believed, taught, or even slightly mentioned by Jesus, the apostles or just not in the Bible period? Ok, I see now!!!
Ag ...[text shortened]... ical books. Revelations 22:18 could only mean the prophecies contained in Revelations.[/b]
Jehovah's Witnesses are famous for making fun of Trinitarians, while they promote a dualistic deity, having two separate Gods. In Jn.1:1. Jehovah is the Almighty and a secondary mighty one that he has made, who is Michael the Arch- angel is the God he made all things through. The Bible never refers to God in this manner and declares throughout there is only one God. Isa.10:20-21 tells us Israel will rely on the LORD the Holy one of Israel… they will return to the Mighty God". Even Mary calls God mighty in Lk.1:49. Jer.32:17-18 tells us," the mighty God whose name is the LORD of hosts". This is the same mighty God in Isa.9:6 that the Son is called. So if mighty means lesser, then Jehovah himself is a lesser God. Yet the JW's would never take this position of Jehovah being a lesser God. The Bible points out that mighty and almighty are descriptions of the same being who is God.
http://www.letusreason.org/JW7.htm
20 Aug 12
Originally posted by RJHindsVery much like the "Rapture".
The word 'trinity" is still not in the Holy Bible. So it is wrong to say we added it to the Holy Bible. The word "trinity" is a short way of relating what we Christians believe the Holy Bible says about the relationship of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
I'd ask what is Gman's take on the Rapture? And no, not your Bible's take, I want to hear your take on it.
20 Aug 12
Originally posted by SuzianneMy take on the rapture is that the word is not in anyones Bible including the NWT.
Very much like the "Rapture".
I'd ask what is Gman's take on the Rapture? And no, not your Bible's take, I want to hear your take on it.
The scripture that is applied to the rapture is this,
1 Thessalonians 4:17
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17 Then, those of us who are still living here on earth will be gathered together with them in the clouds. We will meet the Lord in the sky and be with Him forever.
A couple misunderstandings of this are first many believe that the physical bodies of these that are cuaght up will actually go up to heaven. Not true as the Bible clearly says flesh and blood cannot go to heaven.
Second many believe that all that are Christians will go up to heaven to live and again that is never said in the Bible. Jesus cleary spoke of 2 groups of followers that would gain his approval. The "little flock" that will go to heaven to serve with Jesus as the Kings and Judges of the survivors of armegeddon and all the rest that will be resurrected from death. The survivors of armegeddon he called the "great crowd."
So this teaching of the rapture is not correct and is another non biblical teaching that came after Jesus and the apostles died off just as he said would happen.