21 Aug 12
Originally posted by galveston75So you accept that there are two Gods according to your beliefs and according to your bible, i.e. Jesus and Jehovah?
Your Bible says there are two gods. I'm not the one saying it or making it up. You either believe your bible or you don't. So it seems you are the one having the problem understanding the 2 god issue and the "Almighty/mighty" explination of the two. So until you come to understand the differances of these two titles it will never make sence to you.
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The Coinherence of the Believers with the Triune God
This revelation of the mutual coinhering of the Son and the Father is not in the Bible for mere theological speculation about the ontology of the Trinity. It is a matter of great significance for our Christian life and living. Christ’s human living on the earth is the model of the Christian life (1 Peter 2:21). Of course, this does not mean that we can participate in His redemptive work. What it does mean is that our Christian life is not merely an attempt to live a moral life in outward imitation of Christ’s human living, but our Christian life is that He lives in us and we live in Him. In John 17:21-23 the Lord Himself prayed:
[21] That they all may be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You, that they also may be in Us; that the world may believe that You have sent Me. [22] And the glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, even as We are one; [23] I in them, and You in Me, that they may be perfected into one, that the world may know that You have sent Me and have loved them even as You have loved Me.
Concerning the Lord’s prayer in John 17, Witness Lee commented:
In John 15 the fact of our being in Christ and Christ being in us is clearly revealed (vv. 4-5). But in John 17 the Lord prayed for our realization of this fact (vv. 20-21). He prayed so that we would realize that we are in Him just as He is in the Father, and He is in us just as the Father is in Him. With the Divine Trinity there is such a wonderful coinhering oneness. This coinhering oneness has been duplicated by Christ with His believers. Today Christ is in His believers, causing His believers to be in Him. This is like the Father being in the Son, causing the Son to be in the Father. The prayer of Christ in John 17 is a revelation of such a coinhering oneness.7
Understanding Isaiah 9:6 in this light opens up our realization and appreciation of God’s purpose. This purpose is the producing of the Body of Christ as the enlargement of the coinhering oneness of the Triune God. It was for this that God was incarnated in Christ. It was for this that Christ went to the cross and died to accomplish an eternal redemption. It was for this that He was resurrected from the dead so that He, with the Father and the Spirit could dwell in His believers (Eph. 4:6; Gal. 2:20; John 14:17) and they could dwell in Them (John 17:21; 1 John 4:13; 1 Cor. 12:13) for the enlargement and expression of the mutual coinherence of the divine Trinity.
21 Aug 12
Originally posted by RJHinds1 Timothy 3:16
Don't forget that Jesus is [b]both the Son of God and the son of man (woman). Therefore, God is Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
Think about the meaning of the following verse again:
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
(1 Timothy 3:16 KJV)[/b]
New Living Translation (NLT)
16 Without question, this is the great mystery of our faith:
Christ was revealed in a human body
and vindicated by the Spirit.
He was seen by angels
and announced to the nations.
He was believed in throughout the world
and taken to heaven in glory.
1 Timothy 3:16
Easy-to-Read Version (ERV)
16 Without a doubt, the secret of our life of worship is great:
Christ was shown to us in human form;
the Spirit proved that he was right;
he was seen by angels.
The message about him was told to the nations;
people in the world believed in him;
he was taken up to heaven in glory.
1 Timothy 3:16
Contemporary English Version (CEV)
16 Here is the great mystery of our religion:
Christ came as a human.
The Spirit proved
that he pleased God,
and he was seen by angels.
Christ was preached
to the nations.
People in this world
put their faith in him,
and he was taken up to glory.
Seems some translations say Jesus or Christ, not God. The reason that some have used the word "God" is to support the trinity doctrine as has been discussed before. Perhaps with the words Jesus and Christ there originally it makes the trinity a little harder to explain?
21 Aug 12
Originally posted by jaywill[/b]So this "coinherence" that you explain means that Jesus is in fact God himself would also mean that you are also God? If this means that Jesus is God and you explain that you have this same coinherence with Jesus who you say is God, it would mean you are somehow God yourself?
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[b] The Coinherence of the Believers with the Triune God
This revelation of the mutual coinhering of the Son and the Father is not in the Bible for mere theological speculation about the ontology of the Trinity. It is a matter of great significance for our Christian life and living. ...[text shortened]... 3) for the enlargement and expression of the mutual coinherence of the divine Trinity.
Please explain how this works.
"That they all may be one; even as You, Father, are in Me and I in You"
Could this scripture not mean what you think and could simply be as simple as the explination that they are one in thought, ideas, plans, purposes, direction, etc, etc, and not one in some mysterious, vague and unexplanable way that didn't come to the front until 400 something years after Jesus died???
Also a question...where did this word "coinherence" come from? I can't find it in any bible.
21 Aug 12
Originally posted by galveston75Too bad you have to use these "dumbed-down" translations to prove your point.
Seems some translations say Jesus or Christ, not God. The reason that some have used the word "God" is to support the trinity doctrine as has been discussed before. Perhaps with the words Jesus and Christ there originally it makes the trinity a little harder to explain?
21 Aug 12
Originally posted by SuzianneYou mean, too bad to prove your point you have to use these "dumbed-down" translations?
Too bad you have to use these "dumbed-down" translations to prove your point.
Originally posted by galveston75
Maybe it's the other way around..... Impossible?
21 Aug 12
Originally posted by FMFOh I see. So just because you or someone else does not understand my answer, means I didn't answer it? So if I change my answer to one that I don't really agree with but one that you will, means I answered it?
No you haven't. The supposed answer "back a few posts" was a carefully worded evasion. That's why I asked the question too; I am curious.
How silly. I would not ask anyone here to answer a question with an answer that is really not what they want to say and that would include you.
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Originally posted by galveston75No, as usual you completely avoided it.
I believe I cleary answered that question. Go back a few post and it's there...Hello!!!!
As far as I can tell your church dogma is one of confusion, error and deception. Your persistent evasion of straightforward questions challenging your beliefs and doctrines may seem like being cleaver to you (and I assume that as both you and robbie engage in it, that it is taught behaviour), but frankly it is blatant dishonesty.
So I wonder; are you going to answer the question, or will you continue to hem & haw, duck & dive, squirm & evade, when faced with the obvious glaring erroneous teaching you profess is given by God to you? Or is that Gods?
21 Aug 12
Originally posted by galveston75More dodging. No one is asking you to "change [your] answer to one that [you] don't really agree with". You're being asked to answer the question more clearly and more unequivocally, and - of course - you're not being asked to "answer [the] question with an answer that is really not what [you] want to say". Nothing of the sort.
Oh I see. So just because you or someone else does not understand my answer, means I didn't answer it? So if I change my answer to one that I don't really agree with but one that you will, means I answered it?
How silly. I would not ask anyone here to answer a question with an answer that is really not what they want to say and that would include you.
21 Aug 12
Originally posted by galveston75What you said was: "Jesus is a mighty God" and "Jehovah is Almighty God".
Oh I see. So just because you or someone else does not understand my answer, means I didn't answer it? So if I change my answer to one that I don't really agree with but one that you will, means I answered it?
How silly. I would not ask anyone here to answer a question with an answer that is really not what they want to say and that would include you.
You also said: "it is the Bible that states there are two Gods not me [yourself]"
So, are there 2 Gods. Yes or No?