Spirituality
05 Jun 22
14 Jun 22
@fmf saidI agree with you that you are aware of the doctrine and scriptures; however, that has never been point of contention it is Jesus. You can believe all the right things and miss Him completely because it is not our knowledge that matters, or our good works, or how much better we are than others. If you don’t know the Lord you’re faith is in something else, not Christ. You claim that God is not real and we can’t know Him speaks about you more than Him. It simply confirmed what you had was not Christ it was something else.
I am well aware of what your Christian faith is, KellyJay. I had faith just like yours for the better part of three decades.
14 Jun 22
@fmf saidYou are only showing what you had was not based on the reality of Christ, as you assume, it is all between everyone’s ears nothing more. You believe that you know the truth now, that just shows it was really always true for you. You were going through the motions following the rules.
@KellyJay
The faith of people like you [currently] and me [in the past] does not make the thing we believe in real.
The faith of people like you [currently] and me [in the past] simply makes us certain that the thing we believe in is real.
14 Jun 22
@kellyjay saidI am fully aware of what your faith makes you believe about Jesus, God and yourself.
I agree with you that you are aware of the doctrine and scriptures; however, that has never been point of contention it is Jesus. You can believe all the right things and miss Him completely because it is not our knowledge that matters, or our good works, or how much better we are than others. If you don’t know the Lord you’re faith is in something else, not Christ. You clai ...[text shortened]... eaks about you more than Him. It simply confirmed what you had was not Christ it was something else.
14 Jun 22
@kellyjay saidI am not having any difficulty whatsoever understanding that you sincerely believe in "the reality of Christ" and that you believe that this faith is something other than cognition. Psychologically speaking, I have been where you are: for many years in fact.
You are only showing what you had was not based on the reality of Christ, as you assume, it is all between everyone’s ears nothing more.
14 Jun 22
@kellyjay saidI believed the same things as you.
You were going through the motions following the rules.
My faith was real and impactful.
You sound rather silly and slightly desperate to ve reaching through your computer screen trying to alter reality of my past life and claim that I was somehow "going through the motions".
I don't think I ever saw myself as "following rules". My faith was nothing like that.
Is that what it's like for you? Is your faith like "going through the motions" and "following rules".
Gosh I didn't perceive faith to be like that at all. How did these ideas come into your mind?
14 Jun 22
@kellyjay saidYou sometimes seem to be talking to me as if you think I am STILL claiming to be a Christian. It's very odd.
I agree with you that you are aware of the doctrine and scriptures; however, that has never been point of contention it is Jesus. You can believe all the right things and miss Him completely because it is not our knowledge that matters, or our good works, or how much better we are than others. If you don’t know the Lord you’re faith is in something else, not Christ. You clai ...[text shortened]... eaks about you more than Him. It simply confirmed what you had was not Christ it was something else.
15 Jun 22
@kellyjay saidI don't give a tinker's cuss what you "believe" about me, KellyJay, to be frank. It wasn't about "doctrine" in the slightest. It was about an all-pervading belief that Jesus was "in" my life.
The doctrine yes I believe you.
It was about "doctrine"?? Ha! Your deep-down need to see it that way, and characterize it as such, is revealing. You sometimes make it seem that you have no idea what faith actually is. "Doctrine"?
What is interesting here - in your behaviour - is how insecure and desperate you make yourself sound.
I don't think you are conscious of it. It seems like you see yourself in a kind of willy-waving contest.
The thing is, though, I am acutely aware of what it is - psychologically speaking - that you are in the grip of.
Well, anyway. If we apply your logic, even you do not know if your faith is real or not. So, that's a kind of semi-humorous implication of your faith-virtue-signalling.
15 Jun 22
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@fmf saidYou believed in a God that would never leave and forsake you, and what the one
I don't give a tinker's cuss what you "believe" about me, KellyJay, to be frank. It wasn't about "doctrine" in the slightest. It was about an all-pervading belief that Jesus was "in" my life.
It was about "doctrine"?? Ha! Your deep-down need to see it that way, and characterize it as such, is revealing. You sometimes make it seem that you have no idea what faith actually is. ...[text shortened]... aith is real or not. So, that's a kind of semi-humorous implication of your faith-virtue-signalling.
you believed in left? You believed in a God who knows the beginning and the
end, and your god forgot something? If you believed, you would have stayed
with it; instead, you were trying in on for size, not for you; something got to you,
and you denied the most important thing in your life. So don't tell me we are the
same, not even close.
15 Jun 22
@kellyjay saidThis is an assertion by you that doesn't accord with the facts, KellyJay. And as much as you seem desperate to project yourself into my past life and alter the facts, the truth of the matter is that [1] I did believe and [2] I didn't stay with it. Your 'litmus test' is seemingly numb to the reality of my life. It makes you sound like an insecure ideologue whose public professions of faith are somehow threatened by my witness to my own experience of faith and, more to the point, my loss of faith.
If you believed, you would have stayed
with it.