"Most violence is caused by mental illness"

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Doesn't that also apply to all prisons, irrespective of mental health status?

I get that this thread was based on a hypothetical question, but putting that question in quotation marks (implying somebody had actually said it) was misguided, especially as mental health is already greatly stigmatized and misunderstood.

Completely agree.

The important issue being that mentally ill people are less likely to be incarcerated for violent crimes than the non mentally ill. e.g. prevalence of schizophrenia is roughly 1%, but less than 1% of homicides are committed by people with schizophrenia.

The myth that it is the opposite perpetuates the stigma, that prevents many people with mental illness gaining employment. Since social exclusion is a predictor of worse outcome in mental illness this is a very harmful myth. The fact that this website tolerates a harmful myth as a thread title is one of the reasons I will definitely not renew the four years for the price of three subscription I purchased in Feb 2020, when it expires.

@relentless-red said
The fact that this website tolerates a harmful myth as a thread title is one of the reasons I will definitely not renew the four years for the price of three subscription I purchased in Feb 2020, when it expires.

What "harmful myth" is being propagated by this thread? Have you not bothered to read it?

@fmf said
What "harmful myth" is being propagated by this thread? Have you not bothered to read it?

He said 'thread title.'

@ghost-of-a-duke said
He said 'thread title.'

If he's going to leave the website because of the title of a thread that he can't be bothered to read, then good riddance.

@relentless-red said
Completely agree.

Your reply here to ghost of a duke’s reply to me … doesn’t support his claim that my post “applied to all those in prison”generally.

Have a look at what I said and then if you feel you want to address what I said rather than attempting to disagree with me vicariously by replying to ghost of a duke, I’ll be happy to read what you have to say.

@fmf said
If he's going to leave the website because of the title of a thread that he can't be bothered to read, then good riddance.

As already stated, mental health is already greatly stigmatized and misunderstood.

The contents of the thread are irrelevant. It's the title of the thread that unnecessarily propagates and feeds into this stigma and ignorance around mental health.

@josephw said
It wasn't "misguided". It was an intentional attempt to create a trap to ensnare Christian posters into questions about morality.

An attempt to create "a trap to ensnare Christian posters into questions about morality"? What are afraid of? You feel "trapped" by discussion of moral issues?

@relentless-red said
The myth that it is the opposite perpetuates the stigma, that prevents many people with mental illness gaining employment. Since social exclusion is a predictor of worse outcome in mental illness this is a very harmful myth.

I started the thread after I heard a right-wing commentator make the ridiculous claim in the wake of one of the recent mass shootings. I put the words in quotation marks and asked a hypothetical question aimed at the sort of people who make such claims to tee up a discussionabout crime, morality and culpability. No one on the thread has argued that the thread title quote is true or done anything to perpetuate any myth. You should have read thread.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
The contents of the thread are irrelevant. It's the title of the thread that unnecessarily propagates and feeds into this stigma and ignorance around mental health.

Don't be so silly.

@fmf said
I started the thread after I heard a right-wing commentator make the ridiculous claim in the wake of one of the recent mass shootings. I put the words in quotation marks and asked a hypothetical question aimed at the sort of people who make such claims to tee up a discussionabout crime, morality and culpability. No one on the thread has argued that the thread title quote is true or done anything to perpetuate any myth. You should have read thread.

You're right it is a ridiculous claim. Do you not think you are propagating it by putting it in a thread title?

@ghost-of-a-duke said
He said 'thread title.'

Exactly.

@fmf said
Don't be so silly.

When mental health is reported in the media it is invariably under stigmatizing and inflammatory headlines. Much like your own.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
You're right it is a ridiculous claim. Do you not think you are propagating it by putting it in a thread title?

Not in the slightest.

Hey everybody, let's cater to the kind of people who get their "knowledge" about mental health from thread titles!

I think you and Relentless Red are being sanctimonious and silly.

@fmf said
Not in the slightest.

Hey everybody, let's cater to the kind of people who get their "knowledge" about mental health from thread titles!

I think you and Relentless Red are being sanctimonious and silly.

I think you are showing your flippancy toward mental health. I literally cringed when I read the title of this thread.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
When mental health is reported in the media it is invariably under stigmatizing and inflammatory headlines. Much like your own.

Well it's a controversial and topical notion that warrants a discussion on the moral implications of believing such a thing.