Muslim Murdered by Hindus for Allegedly Eating Beef in India

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
I would politely counter that it is less my shallowness and presumtuousness and more your own naivety on the topic of forum moderation.

For two years when I worked in Perth I moderated the private forum of a dog-eat-dog corporate consortium with about 27 businesses and institutions trying to brand and promote the city as an international education destination.

There were maybe 150 mostly egotistical fairly high powered people with overlapping and conflicting commercial interests posting most days and spending much of their time trying to outdo each other and land forum cuffs to the chin on topics they had fundamental differences over.

I moderated their many scuffles with success. However, if I'd been a contributor myself, I would have been landing a few cuffs where I thought it was called for.

To suggest that I am naive on the topic of forum moderation is presumptuous nonsense. 😀😛😉

Originally posted by FMF
Of course you are talking about my integrity. Being objective in a role that requires objectivity is a matter of integrity. I have posted thousands of times in a subjective way because that is part and parcel of being a debater on a message board.

To suggest that this means one cannot be objective - or does not have enough integrity to be objective - when ca ...[text shortened]... r ideas? Good grief. What a poor judge of character you are. Did the internet do it to you? 😀😛

I don't know you well enough to question 'your' integrity, but it is curious you would seek to take my comments that way. I made it clear that 'anyone' would find it difficult to go from controversial forum poster to a Mod that the general masses would trust to be impartial (*Even if you were able to be so due to your genuine multi dimensional integrity). Your assumption that your forum foes would soon forget about you and your role as a Mod is categorically naive. Every Mod action would spark conspiracies of your involvement and if someone's butter vanished from the fridge you would be held responsible.

Again, you seem to be confused between 'being' objective and being 'perceived' as objective. Can you please clarify that you recognise the difference? (It's important as an objective person with integrity could still be perceived as biased due to his combative and consanguineous posting history). 🙂😵😲

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
Your assumption that your forum foes would soon forget about you and your role as a Mod is categorically naive. Every Mod action would spark conspiracies of your involvement and if someone's butter vanished from the fridge you would be held responsible.

How would my "forum foes" be affected? What does "butter" refer to?

Originally posted by divegeester
Interesting discussion. Could I just point out that you are assuming that the mods here are popular.**

**tongue firmly in cheek with an element of truth....

🙂 I don't even know who the Mods are, so couldn't possibly comment.

Originally posted by FMF
How would my "forum foes" be affected? What does "butter" refer to?

Happy to clarify, once you have answered the question put to you:

'Again, you seem to be confused between 'being' objective and being 'perceived' as objective. Can you please clarify that you recognise the difference? (It's important as an objective person with integrity could still be perceived as biased due to his combative and consanguineous posting history).'

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
Again, you seem to be confused between 'being' objective and being 'perceived' as objective. Can you please clarify that you recognise the difference?

Can you? Who do I need to be "perceived" as objective by? Do you mean people who claim I am a "pathological liar" whenever they address me, or who call me "morally repugnant" or "filth", or who take a swing at me in almost every post. What are we talking about? Three or four people? You think how these handful of people "perceive" me is or should be or would be a deciding factor?

Why would I be deleting anything they post anyway? Do you know about what the moderating involves here? Do you really think that a Moderator here has the job of stage manager of discussions? Surely, how I am perceived by the web site owner is the key to it.

If he perceives that a very small number of mouthy sour ideologues are holding his need for an actually-objective mod to ransom then he is probably not going to get a mod. And if he perceives me to actually be a "pathological liar" and "filth", then it certainly is not going to be me.

Originally posted by FMF
How would my "forum foes" be affected? What does "butter" refer to?

Okay, 'integrity' seems to be important to you (and rightly so).

It is for the integrity of the site that i (and please take 'i' as indicating a personal opinion) believe you would make a poor Mod at RHP. All Mods need to be seen as 'neutral.' Whatever your protestations, you will 'never' be perceived as such by a large majority of forum posters. (Including the ones who like you). You are by no means unique in this, but you are the one who tipped your hat to being a Mod.

And the butter? Well that was merely a whimsy, indicating that all woes would be attributed to you, even when the action wasn't yours.

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
Okay, 'integrity' seems to be important to you (and rightly so).

I don't much care what you think, and I don't mean that nastily. I mean it doesn't worry me. I am just pointing out that almost everything you have said on this issue is infused with a question mark you have placed ~ perhaps inadvertently ~ over my integrity. You have spent 14 years - presumably - seeing people as one dimensional. So I am not too worried by what you do or don't think. I am just responding to the actual nature of your analysis. 😉

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
All Mods need to be seen as 'neutral.' Whatever your protestations, you will 'never' be perceived as such by a large majority of forum posters.

The "large majority" of forum posters probably don't give a dam. I think the key to it is ability and integrity. That's what Russ needs. You seem to think Mods conduct or shape the discussions on threads. But in fact they simply respond to alerts.

So if someone with no moves crops up and suggests reopening the gas chambers for Jews, it gets alerted, and I'd be on hand to delete the post, and the forum can carry on as normal.

If a poster threatens to track another down and beat him up or rape his wife, it gets alerted, and I'd be on hand to delete the post.

If a thread is started in Culture that maybe belongs on another forum, it gets alerted, and I'd be on hand to move the thread if the alert has merit.

I think that's what "a large majority of forum posters" expect, as I say, if they give a dam at all.

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
And the butter? Well that was merely a whimsy, indicating that all woes would be attributed to you, even when the action wasn't yours.

What woes? Give me a scenario.

Originally posted by FMF
I don't much care what you think, and I don't mean that nastily. I mean it doesn't worry me. I am just pointing out that almost everything you have said on this issue is infused with a question mark you have placed ~ perhaps inadvertently ~ over my integrity. You have spent 14 years - presumably - seeing people as one dimensional. So I am not too worried by what you do or don't think. I am just responding to the actual nature of your analysis. 😉

You can lead a one dimensional horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

c'est la vie. 🙂

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
You can lead a one dimensional horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

You seriously think Russ needs the endorsement of the likes of robbie carrobie and Suzianne or Duchess64 for his choice of Mods?

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
You can lead a one dimensional horse to water, but you can't make him drink.

c'est la vie. 🙂

horse is too generous, donkey is more apropos. 😵

Originally posted by FMF
You seriously think Russ needs the endorsement of the likes of robbie carrobie and Suzianne or Duchess64 for his choice of Mods?

Maybe you are too much of a liability FMF; I keep telling you to rein it in, rein it in. But no, you keep on asking posters questions when you have requested many time to not ask questions. I on the other hand am far more eclectic in my views and tolerant of all. I would be the ideal choice of forum moderator.

Originally posted by FMF
You seriously think Russ needs the endorsement of the likes of robbie carrobie and Suzianne or Duchess64 for his choice of Mods?

As part of an Admin team, we would actively 'headhunt' members who we felt would bring something positive and valuable to the team, someone who had shown themselves to be level headed and objective. I don't remember a single occasion where we accepted a 'volunteer' to the team. We would usually respond with the default 'Thank you for your interest, but we are not looking to increase the Admin team at this time. (*Have you received such a reply yet?)

I doubt Russ is looking for endorsements or cold callers. I'm pretty sure, when he needs additional Mods, he will do the knocking, and know where to knock.