Spirituality
13 May 12
27 May 12
Originally posted by FMFWhat did you have when you were calling yourself a Christian, and what
I have been open about the fact I am not a Christian anymore, from the start of this discussion. What 'came my way' was a realization that I was on the wrong path. It does not bother me in the slightest that you are still on that path. On the other hand, you and I having reached different conclusions about our beliefs and each others beliefs, and having taken different paths, seems to bother you a lot.
changed?
Kelly
27 May 12
Originally posted by KellyJayI was a Christian, Kelly. I find it interesting that you find it so important to not accept it with some good grace. As for what changed, well, if I were to continue 'claiming' to be a Christian after I reached the conclusion that it was the wrong path, then you'd be within your rights to question my Christianity. However, I am open about it.
What did you have when you were calling yourself a Christian, and what
changed?
27 May 12
Originally posted by KellyJayYeah, there's a communication problem here, but I seriously doubt it's due to any trouble reading on my part. 😛
Read the text, if all Jesus was, was just another man His teaching would be
no different than anyone else's you could follow that teaching with or without
death and resurrection. The fact that He did die and was resurrected sets Him
apart from all the other so called teachers of man. Sheesh...if you are going to
comment read the text.
Kelly
27 May 12
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Originally posted by FMFWell something changed when you used to believe as you claim Jesus was the
I was a Christian, Kelly. I find it interesting that you find it so important to not accept it with some good grace. As for what changed, well, if I were to continue 'claiming' to be a Christian after I reached the conclusion that it was the wrong path, then you'd be within your rights to question my Christianity. However, I am open about it.
Way and now He is not, what changed?
Kelly
27 May 12
Originally posted by KellyJayWell, look, I am not a Christian anymore, so I don't really see why my views of "Jesus" matter to you. If you'd asked me when I was a Christian then my beliefs were perhaps relevant, and perhaps you could have tried to denounce me as not-a-Christian. It seems to be something important to you on some level.
Yea, that short answer you have given about 4 times now. So one Sunday
Jesus was the Way, the Truth, the Light and Monday He wasn't due to?
27 May 12
Originally posted by FMFYou've compared our faith as equal, you changed so I'm asking what happen.
Well, look, I am not a Christian anymore, so I don't really see why my views of "Jesus" matter to you. If you'd asked me when I was a Christian then my beliefs were perhaps relevant, and perhaps you could have tried to denounce me as not-a-Christian. It seems to be something important to you on some level.
Kelly
27 May 12
Originally posted by FMFYou did it again, you've been making the claim that being Christians is all the
I have not claimed I was "equal" to you in any way. We were simply both Christians at one time. You still are.
samething...I am = you were. Now something changed for you so that you
who claims his faith was the same as mine is no longer a Christian, and I'm
asking why...Jesus went from the Way to just another way for you...what
happen?
Kelly
27 May 12
Originally posted by KellyJayI have absolutely no interest in discussing my current spiritual path with you. I don't see what relevance it could have to you. Suffice to say I am no longer a Christian.
You did it again, you've been making the claim that being Christians is all the
samething...I am = you were. Now something changed for you so that you
who claims his faith was the same as mine is no longer a Christian, and I'm
asking why...Jesus went from the Way to just another way for you...what
happen?
Kelly
27 May 12
Originally posted by KellyJayKelly, would you admit to the fact that many Christians leave their churches and go elsewhere because of the conduct of the leaders or doctrine of the church which they attend.
You did it again, you've been making the claim that being Christians is all the
samething...I am = you were. Now something changed for you so that you
who claims his faith was the same as mine is no longer a Christian, and I'm
asking why...Jesus went from the Way to just another way for you...what
happen?
Kelly
My point is that if churches these days would follow the teachings of Christ and the example of the early church, people might be less inclined to leave.
The core of Christ's teaching was love and charity. Churches dont preach that anymore.
27 May 12
Originally posted by FMFI have strong doubts you ever were a Christian, you can claim you were all you
I have absolutely no interest in discussing my current spiritual path with you. I don't see what relevance it could have to you. Suffice to say I am no longer a Christian.
want. I'll respect your wishes and no longer question why you changed your
views about Jesus Christ.
Kelly
27 May 12
Originally posted by Rajk999People walk away from groups, pastors, this, that, and the other thing. Jesus Christ
Kelly, would you admit to the fact that many Christians leave their churches and go elsewhere because of the conduct of the leaders or doctrine of the church which they attend.
My point is that if churches these days would follow the teachings of Christ and the example of the early church, people might be less inclined to leave.
The core of Christ's teaching was love and charity. Churches dont preach that anymore.
is the only one that really matters, He does not fail us, have bad conduct, where
we and others fail only shows us that we need Jesus. Poor doctrine will destroy
people, people who don't point to Jesus Christ but to themselves, another, or some
group will also fail. Paul even warns of people who point to another Jesus so yea
if Jesus isn't the foundation, your building your house on shifting sand.
I'm not going to bash churches for not doing something, I've been in good ones
and bad ones. God knows His own.
Kelly