New Testament

Originally posted by stellspalfie
the logical seems to follow then that the j.w. church attracts crushed and broken people? yes?

not to get sidetracked although its a valid point although not really relevant, the
question is, are the writers claiming inspiration or are they not.

For over a century, this subject has periodically been discussed in The Watchtower.
Christ’s brothers surely demonstrate their loving concern for our spiritual welfare by
publishing articles on this and other inspired counsel. Paying attention to these
reminders is one way to show that we are following our perfect Leader, Jesus Christ.

and

Hence, when we distribute Bible-based literature, we are telling what the tongue of
inspired holy men has already said.

The Bible says: “Jehovah is near to those that are broken at heart; and those who are
crushed in spirit he saves.” (Psalm 34:18) Without a doubt, all who are “broken at
heart” or “crushed in spirit” can find encouragement and a hope for the future in the
Bible. Jehovah’s Witnesses distribute Bible-based literature to help those in need to
benefit from that divinely inspired source of comfort.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
not to get sidetracked although its a valid point although not really relevant, the
question is, are the writers claiming inspiration or are they not.

The question is about galveston75's claims. Is he wrong to claim what he does?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
not to get sidetracked although its a valid point although not really relevant, the
question is, are the writers claiming inspiration or are they not.

if they are not inspired by god how would they be able to make such highly detailed predictions such as the end of the world in 1914. im pretty sure the bible doesnt give you enough to make that kind of prediction.


are 'cracked and broken' people more vulnerable to the feeling of wanting to belong and to be part of something, especially if they are being promised love and kindness?

Originally posted by stellspalfie
if they are not inspired by god how would they be able to make such highly detailed predictions such as the end of the world in 1914. im pretty sure the bible doesnt give you enough to make that kind of prediction.


are 'cracked and broken' people more vulnerable to the feeling of wanting to belong and to be part of something, especially if they are being promised love and kindness?

answer the question are they claiming inspiration or are they not?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
It remains to be seen, will you please answer the question, are these quotations of
which i have provided three, three times, claiming inspiration for the writers of the
watchtower or are they not?

I don't see what relevance me answering your question has to do with any of this. This is about what you believe and what Galveston believes with regard to whether JW literature is inspired like the Bible.

You say it isn't, he said it is. Who is right and who is wrong?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
answer the question are they claiming inspiration or are they not?

The question is about galveston75's claims. Do you endorse his claims?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
answer the question are they claiming inspiration or are they not?

why ask me? its proper knob and fmf who are asking. if you want me to answer then, ill need to read through more text than what you have chosen to put up. its not like you are going to crucify yourself is it.............that would be a dumb thing to do.


you can help me form an opinion buy telling me how they got the 1914 date?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
This is about what you believe and what Galveston believes with regard to whether JW literature is inspired like the Bible.

You say it isn't, he said it is. Who is right and who is wrong?

The way robbie is so desperately trying to dodge this question is quite peculiar.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
answer the question are they claiming inspiration or are they not?

now thew London chess classic is starting, i don't want to be disturbed therefore i
shall make an interpretation which PK and palfie could not bring themselves to do,

firstly that watchtower contains inspired counsel, because it contains elements from
the Bible which is considered inspired, secondly on printing such inspired counsel the
writers themselves are not claiming inspiration although the literature itself does
contain inspired counsel. what PK and his sidekick FMF have done is to impose a
false dichotomy on Glavestons statement, for it is rather obvious what he meant by
inspired, yes the literature contains elements which are inspired although the writers
themselves do not claim inspiration for they are merely reproducing what is in the
Bible which is considered inspired. the quotations themselves are a testimony to the
truth of this fact, shame on them for misrepresenting what he was saying! It really
must be the best they can hope for, now if you don't mind, its tea and jaffa cakes for
me and the London chess classic awaits!

Originally posted by stellspalfie
why ask me? its proper knob and fmf who are asking. if you want me to answer then, ill need to read through more text than what you have chosen to put up. its not like you are going to crucify yourself is it.............that would be a dumb thing to do.


you can help me form an opinion buy telling me how they got the 1914 date?

these are all valid question Palfie but not relevant, ask them at some other point, you
like chess?


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Originally posted by robbie carrobie
it is rather obvious what [galveston75] meant by inspired, yes the literature contains elements which are inspired although the writers themselves do not claim inspiration for they are merely reproducing what is in the Bible which is considered inspired.

Oh? So is this "inspiration" exactly the same degree to which the writers of the gospels were inspired? Like the [Gospels] contain elements which are inspired although the writers themselves do not claim inspiration...? galveston75 said God is working directly through the writers of your magazines in the same way he worked through the writers of the gospels. You run the risk of misrepresenting what galveston75 actually said and claimed.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
now thew London chess classic is starting, i don't want to be disturbed therefore i
shall make an interpretation which PK and palfie could not bring themselves to do,

firstly that watchtower contains inspired counsel, because it contains elements from
the Bible which is considered inspired, secondly on printing such inspired counsel the
wri ...[text shortened]... , now if you don't mind, its tea and jaffa cakes for
me and the London chess classic awaits!

that would mean only the parts that are directly copied from the bible are inspired. any parts that are altered or used in a different context could not be described as 'inspired'. for example, the bible predicts the end of the world - 'inspired' the watchtower says the end of the world is in 1914 - 'not inspired'

bridge the gap for me robbie (when you have time, no rush) how does your church make predictions containing information that cannot be gleamed from the bible? do you refer to predictions (such as the 1914 end of the world) as inspired?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
the quotations themselves are a testimony to the truth of this fact, shame on them for misrepresenting what he was saying! It really must be the best they can hope for...

Steady on robbie. You know full well there are people here who can repost what galveston75 said. The fact that it hasn't been reposted so far is probably to see whether you would have a go at misrepresenting it, in your apparent desperation. You'll just be hoisted by your own petard if you try the tactic of misstating what galveston75 actually said.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
now thew London chess classic is starting, i don't want to be disturbed therefore i
shall make an interpretation which PK and palfie could not bring themselves to do,

firstly that watchtower contains inspired counsel, because it contains elements from
the Bible which is considered inspired, secondly on printing such inspired counsel the
wri ...[text shortened]... , now if you don't mind, its tea and jaffa cakes for
me and the London chess classic awaits!

FMF - Are you saying that the employees of the JW organisation who write The Watchtower and Awake! are divinely inspired in the same way you believe the bible's writers were?

galveston75 - Yes we do. What they are used for is not to write another Bible but God inspired bible aids. God has always used humans in one form or another to bring us God's thoughts and guidelines. Is there any reason or proof that you may have that he still does not do that?

and then a little later in the thread

galveston75 - Just as in the past with the writing of the Bible he chose only a few to write what he wanted, so what is the problem with only a few writing what he wants today? Do you not think God can cause a human to write on paper what he wants other humans to read, and for that to be accurate and in accord with the Bible? If no, why not?

Originally posted by Proper Knob

FMF - Are you saying that the employees of the JW organisation who write The Watchtower and Awake! are divinely inspired in the same way you believe the bible's writers were?

galveston75 - Yes we do. What they are used for is not to write another Bible but God inspired bible aids. God has always used humans in one form or another ...[text shortened]... ans to read, and for that to be accurate and in accord with the Bible? If no, why not?

Alas, robbie may have dashed off just as his petard was being self-hoisted.