New Testament

Originally posted by FMF
Alas, robbie may have dashed off just as his petard was being self-hoisted.

We had the full range of Robbie Carrobie 'avoidance techniques' on display here today, culminating in the tried and tested finale..............LEG IT!!!!!

Originally posted by Proper Knob
We had the full range of Robbie Carrobie 'avoidance techniques' on display here today, culminating in the tried and tested finale..............LEG IT!!!!!

He may stay away from this thread for a while. Or he may come back and just try to brazen it out, which will probably bring on all the standard abuse and insults and overwrought ad hominems - although, because he's pretending not to be reading my posts, we may not get so much of the "slime", "vile", "slimy", vile and slimy", "foul slime", "vile and foul slime", "is this vile and foul slime the summation of your foul and slimy foulness", "slimy vile foul slime vile" thing from him. 😵

Originally posted by Proper Knob
We had the full range of Robbie Carrobie 'avoidance techniques' on display here today, culminating in the tried and tested finale..............LEG IT!!!!!

haha what a bunch of sweetie wives you are, I have been watching the chess as i
stated, its just like your weak and beggarly arguments to assume that I have
avoided your silly assertions and ran away, Christians are not the sort to run away
when defending truth!

Let us look at the Gmans statements, they are rather telling and expose your
position as the false dichotomy that it is,

1. Are you saying that the employees of the JW organisation who write The
Watchtower and Awake! are divinely inspired in the same way you believe the
bible's writers were?

It has been explained to you countless times that all Christians, including the
governing body of Jehovahs witnesses are inspired or recipients of Gods Holy spirit,
that they also write literature has no bearing on this, its the same spirit which has
been demonstrated to you on countless occasions that is responsible for different
activities. so while they may be working under inspiration ( as a recipient of Holy
spirit) it does not necessitate that their writings are said to be inspired, Galvestons
second point makes this entirely clear.


2. What they are used for is not to write another Bible but God inspired bible aids.

Here Galveston clearly differentiates the role of these persons working under
inspiration with the Bible writers who were also working under inspiration but whose
writing's are said to be inspired, that is why he clearly and unequivocally states, 'not
to write another Bible'. The mode that their work under inspiration takes is to
provide 'spiritual food', to Christs disciples, as is evidenced by his clear statement
which followed, 'God has always used humans in one form or another to bring us
God's thoughts and guidelines'. This has its basis in the following scripture, '


(Matthew 24:45-47) . . .“Who really is the faithful and discreet slave whom his
master appointed over his domestics, to give them their food at the proper time?
 Happy is that slave if his master on arriving finds him doing so. Truly I say to you,
He will appoint him over all his belongings.

There is not a shred of evidence that the Gmans statement was intended to state
that their writings are to be considered inspired, although their work of producing
spiritual food is, for all they do is reiterate and explain what is written in scripture
already, not to originate it. Of course your folly was that you failed to discern these
things and thus your position was skewed and you have reached the false
conclusions that you have.

Galvestons statement was subject to your false dichotomy, either that their writings
were inspired or they were not and you failed to discern the subtle differences
between their work under inspiration and the inspiration of the Bible and the context
of the Bibles inspiration contained in the literature, themselves not considered inspired.
Such a stance is typical of those who fail to use their powers of discernment and
thus cannot fathom the subtle differences, let it be a lesson for you in future to
refrain from dogmatism and assumption and to ascertain what people mean by the
terms they use.

Your mocking tones are laughable, once again the truth of the matter has been
revealed and you and your sidekicks chariot lies smouldering in a heap of its own
carnage. Now that you have been fried , i can return to my chess match in peace
without further disturbance! suck it up fatboy and take your medicine, you know its
good for you!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
haha what a bunch of sweetie wives you are, I have been watching the chess as i
stated, its just like your weak and beggarly arguments to assume that I have
avoided your silly assertions and ran away, Christians are not the sort to run away
when defending truth!

Let us look at the Gmans statements, they are rather telling and expose your
p ...[text shortened]... er disturbance! suck it up fatboy and take your medicine, you know its
good for you!

Hey Robbie I'm back. Had to visit the parents which was very needed. Mom is ok but Dad is having some hard times, more everytime I see him. May have to have him live apart from Mom for more intensive care. I hate it but it's going that way.

I see the thread is still going and still no headway in explaining the issue here. This post was great and a very good and clear explination it would seem.

Originally posted by galveston75
Hey Robbie I'm back. Had to visit the parents which was very needed. Mom is ok but Dad is having some hard times, more everytime I see him. May have to have him live apart from Mom for more intensive care. I hate it but it's going that way.

I see the thread is still going and still no headway in explaining the issue here. This post was great and a very good and clear explination it would seem.

yes dear Gman, I knew what you meant, it was clear, but i had not read the posts and
now that they were reiterated i could see at once what you meant, pity that Proper
knob and his side-flick FMF had not taken the time to ascertain what you meant but
insisted on imposing values onto your words where none were intended, losers that
they are! Looooooooosers!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
yes dear Gman, I knew what you meant, it was clear, but i had not read the posts and
now that they were reiterated i could see at once what you meant, pity that Proper
knob and his side-flick FMF had not taken the time to ascertain what you meant but
insisted on imposing values onto your words where none were intended, losers that
they are! Looooooooosers!

Yes I know they don't understand and in fact it would be an issue no one would understand if Jehovah did not explian it to us.
Jehovah has communicated with a varity of humans throughout the past as well as now, even men that were imperfect and ones that are imperfect now. If he only delt with perfection we would all be lost.
But he has never had a requirement for any human to be perfect and not make mistakes and wrong decisions on spiritual matters in order for him to help us and teach us.

Originally posted by galveston75
Yes I know they don't understand and in fact it would be an issue no one would understand if Jehovah did not explian it to us.
Jehovah has communicated with a varity of humans throughout the past as well as now, even men that were imperfect and ones that are imperfect now. If he only delt with perfection we would all be lost.
But he has never had a r ...[text shortened]... ake mistakes and wrong decisions on spiritual matters in order for him to help us and teach us.

just to clarify for those of us new to these subtle differences, do i have this right?

1 - writing the bible - direct inspiration from god, comparable to being spoken to by god
2 - reading the bible - being inspired by the words of god, not a form of direct communication with god
3- writing religious material after reading the bible - being inspired by the words of god and using this inspiration to write your own material.

all people who read the bible and believe can be described as inspired as per 2.
only a handful of people fall into category 1.

is this right?

Originally posted by galveston75
Yes I know they don't understand and in fact it would be an issue no one would understand if Jehovah did not explian it to us.
Jehovah has communicated with a varity of humans throughout the past as well as now, even men that were imperfect and ones that are imperfect now. If he only delt with perfection we would all be lost.
But he has never had a r ...[text shortened]... ake mistakes and wrong decisions on spiritual matters in order for him to help us and teach us.

Galveston, would you be so kind as to clear this up for me please? Do you consider JW literature to be divinely inspired just like the Bible was divinely inspired. By that i mean, does God directly communicate, through the medium of the Holy Spirit, with the writers of JW literature thus resulting in God's thoughts being recorded on to paper?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Galveston, would you be so kind as to clear this up for me please? Do you consider JW literature to be divinely inspired just like the Bible was divinely inspired. By that i mean, does God directly communicate, through the medium of the Holy Spirit, with the writers of JW literature thus resulting in God's thoughts being recorded on to paper?

See if this helps. May not but hopefully it will clear it up for you a little:

"There is clearly a distinction between the inspired writings of the Bible and other writings that, while manifesting a measure of the spirit’s direction and guidance, are not properly classed with the Sacred Scriptures. As has been shown, in addition to the canonical books of the Hebrew Scriptures, there were other writings, such as official records concerning the kings of Judah and Israel, and these, in many cases, may have been drawn up by men devoted to God. They were even used in research done by those writers who were inspired to write part of the Sacred Scriptures. So, too, in apostolic times. In addition to the letters included in the Bible canon, there were doubtless many other letters written by the apostles and older men to the numerous congregations during the course of the years. While the writers were spirit-guided men, still God did not place his seal of guarantee distinguishing any such additional writings as part of the inerrant Word of God. The Hebrew noncanonical writings may have contained some error, and even the noncanonical writings of the apostles may have reflected to some degree the incomplete understanding that existed in the early years of the Christian congregation. (Compare Ac 15:1-32; Ga 2:11-14; Eph 4:11-16.)" Page 1205 IT #2

So I know you are wanting a black and white answer. But as the Bible has shown from God's dealings with man, the Bible at this time is the only inspired writing we have from God. No others exist.
But the Bible also shows that thru his spirit he has allowed men of faith to do other writings on spiritual issues in connection with teaching and directing his people. Some made mistakes in the past and some mistakes have been made in our time but that did not mean they were not allowed to be written with his permission and help.

Originally posted by galveston75
See if this helps. May not but hopefully it will clear it up for you a little:

"There is clearly a distinction between the inspired writings of the Bible and other writings that, while manifesting a measure of the spirit’s direction and guidance, are not properly classed with the Sacred Scriptures. As has been shown, in addition to the canonical book ...[text shortened]... time but that did not mean they were not allowed to be written with his permission and help.

Thanks for that, i get it and understand it.

You already stated earlier in the thread that God communicates, through the Holy Spirit, with members of the Governing Body. So when God communicates with them are they writing down Gods thoughts to pass on to the other members of the JW organisation as Bible aids in the form of literature?

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Thanks for that, i get it and understand it.

You already stated earlier in the thread that God communicates, through the Holy Spirit, with members of the Governing Body. So when God communicates with them are they writing down Gods thoughts to pass on to the other members of the JW organisation as Bible aids in the form of literature?

Thanks. Let me clearify more. The only instruction we have if from the Bible. All any human needs to know is there. At this point in time he has given us no other written instructions on how to worship him, teach others, know right from wrong, etc, etc.
He also tells us there that as time goes on the "light" or knowldge or understanding of this Bible would get brighter and clearer.
The Bible also tells us to pray thru Jesus for help in many things and one is to understand his Fathers words.
So if this is done correctly and with the right motives and with the willingness to live by those teachings the Bible says, one will be allowed to begin to understand, but at God's timetable.
So the info has always been there in the Bible but God has not always allowed humans to understand them.
So by the direction from him and his authority to do this, his chosen anointed ones that are still here on earth but someday will eventually die as any human will, and will go to heaven as part of the 144,000, are the ones he is allowing to first get new or clearer understandings and then they pass that info on to the congregations.
So no God does not talk to any human but is slowly in his timetable letting us learn. Just as the Bible describes being fed at the proper times with this food or knowledge.
It takes time to recieve this spiritual food just as a physical meal does. You can't eat all the food in your house at once as it takes time to digest it and recieve it's benifits.
So yes in a passive way he is communicating but not in the direct sense. He is allowing us to learn what is already there in the Bible.

Originally posted by galveston75
Thanks. Let me clearify more. The only instruction we have if from the Bible. All any human needs to know is there. At this point in time he has given us no other written instructions on how to worship him, teach others, know right from wrong, etc, etc.
He also tells us there that as time goes on the "light" or knowldge or understanding of this Bible w but not in the direct sense. He is allowing us to learn what is already there in the Bible.

Earlier in the thread i asked you if the Holy Spirit had directly communicated with anyone in the JW organisation, you replied 'yes by the evidence' (you went on to state that it was with members of the Governing Body). Now you're stating that the communication is 'not in the direct sense'.

How can members of the Governing Body have direct communication, as you stated, if the communication is not in the direct sense? It doesn't make sense?!

Originally posted by Proper Knob
Earlier in the thread i asked you if the Holy Spirit had directly communicated with anyone in the JW organisation, you replied 'yes by the evidence' (you went on to state that it was with members of the Governing Body). Now you're stating that the communication is 'not in the direct sense'.

How can members of the Governing Body have direct communicat ...[text shortened]... n, as you stated, if the communication is not in the direct sense? It doesn't make sense?!

I'm pretty sure I explained this in my last post. It's a passive way of communicating. At God's time he lets us understand. So is that not a way of communication?
If I had the ability as God does to do this and if I decided to let you see something you had never seen or understood before, is that not a way of communicating with you?
And if you knew the only way you would ever understand this info would be if I somehow let it into your heart and mind by some power in me, to suddenly understand this issue at hand, would you not know I was the one behind this sudden knowledge? Is that not a communication between me and you?
Does communication always have to be verbal?

Originally posted by galveston75
I'm pretty sure I explained this in my last post. It's a passive way of communicating. At God's time he lets us understand. So is that not a way of communication?
If I had the ability as God does to do this and if I decided to let you see something you had never seen or understood before, is that not a way of communicating with you?
And if you knew ...[text shortened]... s that not a communication between me and you?
Does communication always have to be verbal?

does this mean you view the writings of all christians inspired if they were influenced by the bible?

Originally posted by galveston75
I'm pretty sure I explained this in my last post. It's a passive way of communicating. At God's time he lets us understand. So is that not a way of communication?
If I had the ability as God does to do this and if I decided to let you see something you had never seen or understood before, is that not a way of communicating with you?
And if you knew ...[text shortened]... s that not a communication between me and you?
Does communication always have to be verbal?

Communication does not have to be verbal. We have agreement there.

Earlier in the thread you stated that members of the Governing Body had had direct communication with God via the Holy Spirit. I'm trying to understand how that communication take place, how has God let these people understand what it is he wants to communicate with them? You stated it was in the form of literature. What is the process by which God transfers his message to them?

In an earlier thread you stated this -

All the bible writters were used by God to write the Bible. So since he has used humans before, why can't he use them now?

Has God used members of the Governing Body to write down his thoughts? This what you seem to be saying in the above quote.