Origin of sin

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Careful ... too many questions like that and you'll tear the whole thing down. 🙂

@bigdoggproblem said
Careful ... too many questions like that and you'll tear the whole thing down. 🙂

It appears that any stories in the Bible which are difficult to believe are just chalked up to metaphors, and aren't real. But that lies in the hands of individual interpretation.

Before Adam and Eve ate the fruit, they had NO concept of sin, or death, or God's wrath, or punishment, or disobedience. Plus, they were defenseless agaist satan's deceit due to innocence and inexperience with the concept of a deceiver.

So yes, they disobeyed.....and that moment required the gruesome death of Jesus? It appears that was God's plan from the moment He created humans.

@chaney3 said
Before Adam and Eve ate the fruit, they had NO concept of sin, or death, or God's wrath, or punishment, or disobedience.

i'll try this logic thingie

neither adam nor eve knew about disobedience
no matter,
God goes ahead and tells them "don't eat that"
it seems that God thinks that they DO know about obedience and disobedience because He

and this dude knows everything,
told them "don't eat that"

your argument is unsound, chaney3

@rookie54 said
i'll try this logic thingie

neither adam nor eve knew about disobedience
no matter,
God goes ahead and tells them "don't eat that"
it seems that God thinks that they DO know about obedience and disobedience because He

and this dude knows everything,
told them "don't eat that"

your argument is unsound, chaney3

So, in your opinion, because of that decision to eat the fruit, all of future mankind was deemed sinners and thus required Jesus to be a sacrificial Savior?

In order to deem a Savior necessary, religion needed a starting point for disobedience, and whether one even believes Adam and Eve were real people, this 'story' seems to be sufficient for most.

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Do you believe that any of the supernatural events, as described in the Bible, actually happened?

@chaney3 said
So, in your opinion, because of that decision to eat the fruit, all of future mankind was deemed sinners and thus required Jesus to be a sacrificial Savior?

i have not stated, intentionally, an opinion concerning either "all mankind" or whether or not anyone is a "sinner"

you see,
i do not know
nor do i presume to know, just because of tomes i have read

@fmf said
I have no problem with the time I spent writing it. And, what I did write, along with your inability to answer, is part of the discourse.

So, you label my unwillingness to engage you in a conversation you believe has no merit, is simply "inability to answer".

Apparently, your most important goal is gaslighting yourself as well as others. Well, bon appetite.

@fmf said
chaney3 has chosen to make this aspect a part of his topic/question. He mentions it in the OP and then reiterates it on page 2.

So, basically, you're only here for the cookies.

That was my point in bringing it up. You know, the part you labeled my "inability to answer".

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Because it is not the point of the anecdote in Genesis.

When that was written, women were barely considered second-class citizens. If Adam had not eaten of the fruit, there would be absolutely no point to the story.