Permanent Members of Christ's Royal Family

Originally posted by KellyJay
I agree with you! YOU BELIEVED IN JESUS IN YOUR PAST, but you rejected
that belief making the claim it wasn't real! You did that! It was real to you,
but no longer, now you have something else for whatever reasons you
have.

Not sure what your capital letters are for. Yes I believed in Jesus in the past. That was the reality of my spiritual life. In the meantime, the reality of my spiritual life has changed because my beliefs have changed. This new reality does not change the fact that my previous beliefs were true and real to me.

Originally posted by FMF
I did believe in Jesus, yes. I have been saying this since the OP. But my beliefs have changed.I have been making no secret of these things. When I was a Christian, I did not think the things I believed were "false and worthy of rejection". You are a Christian, right? So, do think the things you believe are "false and worthy of rejection"? No. Of course not. Well neither did I when I was a Christian.

You were, now you are not, you believed, now you reject. It is your life and
the claims you are making. I'm not sure why you keep saying you once
believed therefore it was real when you turn right around and reject that
as your life now displays. If you think it not worthy of being true or held on
to now than what you had couldn't reflect reality, if it did you'd never have
rejected it.
Kelly

Originally posted by Rajk999
😀 .. its like talking to 2yr olds..

I am honestly starting to think that Kelly Jay is merely trying to demonstrate what he sees as the vigour of his own faith. I am also starting to sense that he isn't really talking to me but is instead talking about himself. "Preening" is perhaps too harsh a word, but something along those lines.

Originally posted by Rajk999
😀 .. its like talking to 2yr olds..

I guess we can count on your to raise the level of discussions.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
I'm not sure why you keep saying you once believed therefore it was real when you turn right around and reject that as your life now displays.

It seems I need to ask you again: do you or do you not accept that someone's beliefs can change? Earlier you said that you do. Perhaps you need to retract this? Because almost every single one of your posts seems to exhibit no understand whatsoever of what a change of belief entails.

Originally posted by KellyJay
If you think it not worthy of being true or held on to now than what you had couldn't reflect reality, if it did you'd never have rejected it.

You appear to be talking about yourself or something. That I have had a change of beliefs and you have not had a change of beliefs does not erase my 28 years of being a Christian like you are a Christian.

Originally posted by FMF
It seems I need to ask you again: do you or do you not accept that someone's beliefs can change? Earlier you said that you do. Perhaps you need to retract this? Because almost every single one of your posts seems to exhibit no understand whatsoever of what a change of belief entails.

I've answered that, yes your views can change.
When they do if something you thought was true and you now reject it as
being true, then it was never true according to you. That does not change
that you once believed it, only that when you did once believe it you were
wrong, and it was not true according to you new views.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
You were, now you are not, you believed, now you reject.

I was a Christian. Now I am not. I used to believe [in Christ] etc. etc. Now I do not. It's called 'a change of beliefs'.

Originally posted by FMF
You appear to be talking about yourself or something. That I have had a change of beliefs and you have not had a change of beliefs does not erase my 28 years of being a Christian like you are a Christian.

The reality of Christ for me is a sure foundation, it wasn't for you since you
rejected it.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
When they do if something you thought was true and you now reject it as
being true, then it was never true according to you.

But it was true to me. How many times do I have to tell you this? It was true to me. It was true to me. It was true to me, just like it is still true to you.

Originally posted by FMF
I was a Christian. Now I am not. I used to believe [in Christ] etc. etc. Now I do not. It's called 'a change of beliefs'.

Yes, I agree you changed your beliefs. What you thought was true you
now reject.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Yes, I agree you changed your beliefs. What you thought was true you
now reject.

I am an ex-Christian. Can we agree on that piece of terminology?

Originally posted by FMF
But it was true to me. How many times do I have to tell you this? It was true to me. It was true to me. It was true to me, just like it is still true to you.

Read your own words, you don't even have to look at mine!
"But is was true..." it was true, your words, you acknowledge that it is no
longer true, it just, "was".
Kelly

Originally posted by FMF
I am an ex-Christian. Can we agree on that piece of terminology?

Yep you claimed to be something you no longer accept.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
The reality of Christ for me is a sure foundation, it wasn't for you since you
rejected it.
Kelly

The reality of Christ ~ as I perceived it and believed it at the time ~ was for me a sure foundation too. For almost three decades. Longer, if you include my youth.