Permanent Members of Christ's Royal Family

Originally posted by KellyJay
Yep you claimed to be something you no longer accept.

I was something, so to speak. Now I am something different.

Originally posted by FMF
The reality of Christ ~ as I perceived it and believed it at the time ~ was for me a sure foundation too. For almost three decades. Longer, if you include my youth.

Okay, but no longer correct?
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
Read your own words, you don't even have to look at mine!
"But is was true..." it was true, your words, you acknowledge that it is no
longer true, it just, "was".

Yes. I "was" a Christian. Good grief. It's as if you haven't been reading any of my posts.

Originally posted by KellyJay
Okay, but no longer correct?

I am "no longer" a Christian, that's correct.

Originally posted by FMF
I am "no longer" a Christian, that's correct.

You fundamentally misunderstand the doctrine of imputation.

If you had/have ever trusted in what Jesus did on the cross on your behalf, His righteousness was imputed to you and your sin was imputed to Him. It cannot be undone.

But if you only thought you were a Christain for whatever other reason, that would not be enough to ensure salvation. Therefore you may never had really been a "Christian" at all!

Happens all the time.

Originally posted by josephw
You fundamentally misunderstand the doctrine of imputation.

If you had/have ever trusted in what Jesus did on the cross on your behalf, His righteousness was imputed to you and your sin was imputed to Him. It cannot be undone.

But if you only thought you were a Christain for whatever other reason, that would not be enough to ensure salvation. Therefore you may never had really been a "Christian" at all!

Happens all the time.

Im interested in the part where you say 'it cannot be undone'.
Is that in the Bible. Please quote if it is.

I can and I have already quoted several passages which say it CAN be undone.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Im interested in the part where you say 'it cannot be undone'.
Is that in the Bible. Please quote if it is.

I can and I have already quoted several passages which say it CAN be undone.

We've been through that.

Why are you so interested? Are you afraid of losing your salvation?

Originally posted by FMF
Ah yes, one of your often deployed passive aggressive tricks: copy paste something OTHER than an answer to the question you are dodging, and if pressed, copy paste it over and over and over again. Here it is:

So "unbelievers" ~ like me ~ are saved alongside "believers"? This contradicts statements about "unbelievers" and "eternal torture" that you have made on this forum many times.

You have been dodging this question for nine pages! 😀

"1. Nope. 2. N/A" (Two word answer you requested given on Page 5).

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Originally posted by josephw
We've been through that.

Why are you so interested? Are you afraid of losing your salvation?

I think we have but you did not support what you said with Bible references.

Originally posted by Rajk999
I think we have but you did not support what you said with Bible references.

I did, but you only read what supports your view.

Allow me to ask you this question; can a person be saved and then lose their salvation, and then regain it again?

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
[b]"1. Nope. 2. N/A" (Two word answer you requested given on Page 5).

The same passive aggressive ploy three times [...or more? I've lost count] on the same thread: copy paste something OTHER than an answer to the very question that you are dodging, and if pressed, copy paste it over and over and over again.

You have been dodging is:

So "unbelievers" ~ like me ~ are saved alongside "believers"? This contradicts statements about "unbelievers" and "eternal torture" that you have made on this forum many times.

Your "1. Nope. 2. N/A" was an answer to different question.

The question you have been dodging for 14 pages is the next question on page 5 that I asked, as you know full well and as you have known all along.

How do you reconcile your answer "Nope" [..."a permanent member of Christ's Royal Family", after dying ~ including me, an "unbeliever", or so you stated the other day ~ cannot be tortured in agony by burning flames for eternity] with previous statements you have made which flat out contradict it, namely that "unbelievers" will suffer "eternal torture"?

Originally posted by josephw
I did, but you only read what supports your view.

Allow me to ask you this question; can a person be saved and then lose their salvation, and then regain it again?

He that endures to the end shall be saved.

Thats the kind of saved Im talking about.

Originally posted by josephw
If you had/have ever trusted in what Jesus did on the cross on your behalf, His righteousness was imputed to you and your sin was imputed to Him. It cannot be undone.

I can only assume that you are ~ for all intents and purposes ~ making these comments about your own faith or in order to kind of 'parade' your own faith. You perhaps want to demonstrate how strong your faith is ~ that is to say it's so strong that it enables you to decide what other people's faith is and what the reality is in their spiritual life.

I am an ex-Christian. So I don't subscribe to any of the claims made by Christians about my "sins being imputed to Christ" or "His righteousness being imputed to me".

If it makes you feel important or pious to project your Christian beliefs onto non-Christians, then I suppose there is nothing I can say to stop you trying to do it. Being an ex-Christian, I know what you're on about. But, I have to say, it just sounds like duckspeak.

What I perceive you to be doing is a kind of religious willy waving ~ although I concede that this comes across as a bit harsher than I would wish to sound.

Originally posted by josephw
... if you only thought you were a Christain for whatever other reason, that would not be enough to ensure salvation. Therefore you may never had really been a "Christian" at all!

You should read through parts of my conversation with Kelly Jay ~ you will appreciate that I am not going to type out all the stuff I've said again. I was a Christian - for nigh on three decades. But my beliefs changed. With you still being a Christian, we no longer agree about what would be "enough to ensure salvation".

Indeed, I no longer subscribe to Christian beliefs regarding "salvation". The reason I started this thread is because I am fascinated by the contradictions and the incoherence and the inconsistency of many Christians' ideology about "salvation".

As far as me being a Christian for all those years earlier in my life, there really is nothing you or Kelly can do to reach back and erase it or make it any less "real" and "true" than it was.

Originally posted by FMF
I can only assume that you are ~ for all intents and purposes ~ making these comments about your own faith or in order to kind of 'parade' your own faith. You perhaps want to demonstrate how strong your faith is ~ that is to say it's so strong that it enables you to decide what other people's faith is and what the reality is in their spiritual life.

I am an ...[text shortened]... waving ~ although I concede that this comes across as a bit harsher than I would wish to sound.

Most of your post seems devoted to critically examining my motives for my being. So judgmental.

"So I don't subscribe to any of the claims made by Christians about my "sins being imputed to Christ" or "His righteousness being imputed to me"."

To this I ask, what is your response to what the Word of God says? Who cares what anyone else says!

You say you are an ex-Christian. Fine. Say so. I don't care. That's not what I was talking about. It's not about what you or I say constitutes what a Christian is, or whether one was or is or used to be or whatever. It about what God says.

I can't seem to drive that point home.