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Originally posted by FMF
When I was a Christian, of course ~ yes ~ I believed Jesus was real. And, of course, I had a relationship with Him.

Is Jesus real now?
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
If you claimed Jesus was real in your past, and you reject that now, your
views about him changed, but the reality of Him in the past, present, and
the future will reflect reality. In your view if Jesus isn't real, than He never
was ever.

If what you mean by this is that I am no longer a Christian who believes that Jesus is real, then I freely admit this. This is what I have been saying all along. I am no longer a Christian.

Originally posted by KellyJay
Is Jesus real now?

My goodness, I have lost count of how many times I have told you that I am no longer a Christian. I do not subscribe to the claims Christians make about Jesus. I have been telling you this page after page. Have you not understood?

Originally posted by FMF
My goodness, I have lost count of how many times I have told you that I am no longer a Christian. I do not subscribe to the claims Christians make about Jesus. I have been telling you this page after page. Have you not understood?

A simple question, yes or no would do!
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
No, you never were a Christian like me or anyone other Christian that
has Christ in their lives. If you did, you would not deny Him now.

I am not claiming we were identical as Christians. Nor am I claiming that we are identical humans. But, like you, I was a Christian who believed Jesus was "real" and who had a "relationship" with Him. Nothing you say can alter the facts in my spiritual and Christian life in the past.

Originally posted by FMF
I am not claiming we were identical as Christians. Nor am I claiming that we are identical humans. But, like you, I was a Christian who believed Jesus was "real" and who had a "relationship" with Him. Nothing you say can alter the facts in my spiritual and Christian life in the past.

If you deny Jesus is real now, exactly how can you claim you had a
relationship with someone who isn't real? I again am not saying you did
not once believe, I am saying that you rejected that belief therefore what
you claimed you had was not true, because you said so.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
A simple question, yes or no would do!
Kelly

I believed "Jesus is real" for about 28 years of my adult life. No amount of beating your chest about the strength of your own faith ~ which I have come to the conclusion is what you're really one about here ~ can alter that fact. As for me no longer subscribing to the tenets of Christian faith, I have been open, clear, honest and forthright ever since this discussion started. I am no longer a Christian. I believe, without a doubt, that you think "Jesus is real". But then, you are still a Christian.

Originally posted by KellyJay
If you deny Jesus is real now, exactly how can you claim you had a
relationship with someone who isn't real?

He was real to me. That was how I had a relationship with Him.

Originally posted by FMF
He was real to me. That was how I had a relationship with Him.

He was real, now He is not, according to you.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
I again am not saying you did not once believe, I am saying that you rejected that belief therefore what you claimed you had was not true, because you said so.

My beliefs have changed. I have been saying this all along. The fact that they were X and are now Y has no bearing on the reality that I believed X before I changed to Y. Nothing you can say can erase X from the history of my spiritual life.

Originally posted by FMF
My beliefs have changed. I have been saying this all along. The fact that they were X and are now Y has no bearing on the reality that I believed X before I changed to Y. Nothing you can say can erase X from the history of my spiritual life.

You can claim you believed in X! I have always agreed with you.
You now claiming you reject X so you can believe in Y, then what you had
when you believe in X was false and worthy of rejection.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
He was real, now He is not, according to you.
Kelly

I am not a Christian any more, Kelly. You seem to be somehow pretending not to understand what this means and keep asking the same questions over and over and over again. Jesus is "real" to Christians. Jesus was "real" to me when I was Christian.

Originally posted by FMF
My goodness, I have lost count of how many times I have told you that I am no longer a Christian. I do not subscribe to the claims Christians make about Jesus. I have been telling you this page after page. Have you not understood?

😀 .. its like talking to 2yr olds..

Originally posted by FMF
I am not a Christian any more, Kelly. You seem to be somehow pretending not to understand what this means and keep asking the same questions over and over and over again. Jesus is "real" to Christians. Jesus was "real" to me when I was Christian.

I agree with you! YOU BELIEVED IN JESUS IN YOUR PAST, but you rejected
that belief making the claim it wasn't real! You did that! It was real to you,
but no longer, now you have something else for whatever reasons you
have.
Kelly

Originally posted by KellyJay
You can claim you believed in X! I have always agreed with you.
You now claiming you reject X so you can believe in Y, then what you had
when you believe in X was false and worthy of rejection.

I did believe in Jesus, yes. I have been saying this since the OP. But my beliefs have changed.I have been making no secret of these things. When I was a Christian, I did not think the things I believed were "false and worthy of rejection". You are a Christian, right? So, do think the things you believe are "false and worthy of rejection"? No. Of course not. Well neither did I when I was a Christian.