Spirituality
09 Apr 07
14 Apr 07
Originally posted by Zander 88That's the beauty and main attraction of atheism .. pressure off, it's all about you .. the center of the universe. Do whacha want because you have a finite number of days and the only consequesnces are paid while you live. If ya don't get caught .. it don't count.
Thanks for all the posts, especially Rwingett's and scottishinnz's arguments. I'm getting a clearer picture and atheism makes perfect sense.
It don't mean nothin' .. it's empty and without purpose other than self-gradification.
Get yours.
Enjoy .. long life and prosper
14 Apr 07
Originally posted by rwingettExcellent and carefully-worded post. (I’m out of recs, though. 🙁 )
Your god can only be omniscient (all-knowing) and omnibenevolent (all-loving) if he is [b]not omnipotent (all-powerful). Given the demonstrable presence of evil in the world (both man made and natural evils), your god must lack one (or more) of those three qualities. The intricacies of the "Problem of Evil" have been dealt with many times in this forum, ...[text shortened]... ur god hypothesis should be subjected the same scrutiny and criticism as any other hypothesis.[/b]
People seem to have a tendency to confuse their God-constructs with—well, God. And when the logic of the construct is critiqued, they think that it is “God” they have to defend. (I am in no way accusing Witty of this.)
Some theists have no trouble dropping one of the “omnis” (Harold Kushner, for example, chose to drop omnipotent). The only alternative (within the traditional* supernatural theist construct) is either to (1) blame humanity for all evil (including natural evil), or (2) assert that one less horror in the world would somehow make it less good.
* I’m not sure how “traditional” the 3-O God-model is; depends on how far back you go. It has become the conventional model, though.
14 Apr 07
Originally posted by jammerSame old boring falsehoods. *Yawn*
That's the beauty and main attraction of atheism .. pressure off, it's all about you .. the center of the universe. Do whacha want because you have a finite number of days and the only consequesnces are paid while you live. If ya don't get caught .. it don't count.
It don't mean nothin' .. it's empty and without purpose other than self-gradification.
Get yours.
Enjoy .. long life and prosper
Of course you don't have the slightest idea what you're talking about. But that doesn't seem to stop you from talking.
14 Apr 07
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Originally posted by rwingettI feel a somewhat like I'm surrounded on all sides 😳, so to speak, but I'll try to consider what you're saying.
Your god can only be omniscient (all-knowing) and omnibenevolent (all-loving) if he is [b]not omnipotent (all-powerful). Given the demonstrable presence of evil in the world (both man made and natural evils), your god must lack one (or more) of those three qualities. The intricacies of the "Problem of Evil" have been dealt with many times in this forum, ...[text shortened]... ur god hypothesis should be subjected the same scrutiny and criticism as any other hypothesis.[/b]
14 Apr 07
Originally posted by jammerThis sort of hedonism=atheism is so tiring. No rational individual,
That's the beauty and main attraction of atheism .. pressure off, it's all about you .. the center of the universe. Do whacha want because you have a finite number of days and the only consequesnces are paid while you live. If ya don't get caught .. it don't count.
It don't mean nothin' .. it's empty and without purpose other than self-gradification.
Get yours.
Enjoy .. long life and prosper
atheist or theist, would endorse 'take what ya can while yer still movin'...' sort of position.
The absense of a belief in a Supreme Being does not equate with an
absense of a moral system which would include attending to the welfare
of others.
Nemesio
14 Apr 07
Originally posted by scottishinnzAs far as I know "presume" was the exact word I used.
Let me highlight the important word.
no sentiment. I just [b]presume that there is enough evidence to support the idea of the God. While it never has been proven,with this evidence the question remains open.
An assumption. You assume that evidence exists for God, yet apparently don't know of any yourself.
I don't know of any evidence f ...[text shortened]... stence does remain open, but until evidence is provided, his existence should not be asserted.[/b]
Who told ya,that I don't know of any evidence pointing for the God existence???
14 Apr 07
Originally posted by jammerRubbish. Atheism isn't a "cop out" as you seem to suggest. It's a position taken based upon logic and parsimony.
That's the beauty and main attraction of atheism .. pressure off, it's all about you .. the center of the universe. Do whacha want because you have a finite number of days and the only consequesnces are paid while you live. If ya don't get caught .. it don't count.
It don't mean nothin' .. it's empty and without purpose other than self-gradification.
Get yours.
Enjoy .. long life and prosper
15 Apr 07
Originally posted by scottishinnzNot a cop out .. a belief system, and like other systems it reqires faith. In this case, faith that the theory of evolution proves the origin of man to be an accident, pure chance.
Rubbish. Atheism isn't a "cop out" as you seem to suggest. It's a position taken based upon logic and parsimony.
15 Apr 07
Originally posted by jammerI've pointed this out to Kelly before, the words "belief" in science & religion mean totally different things. "Belief" in science comes down to supporting evidence. Belief in religion is in spite of supporting evidence.
Not a cop out .. a belief system, and like other systems it reqires faith. In this case, faith that the theory of evolution proves the origin of man to be an accident, pure chance.
15 Apr 07
Originally posted by jammerYou are making the same mistake KellyJay routinely does, that all
Not a cop out .. a belief system, and like other systems it reqires faith. In this case, faith that the theory of evolution proves the origin of man to be an accident, pure chance.
'belief systems' are qualitatively equal, that 'it's all just faith anyway.'
Some 'belief systems' rely on evidence, some operate in the absence
of it.
Regarding the what the theory of evolution proves: it's clear that
you don't know what 'belief,' 'theory,' or 'proof' means in any sort of
scientifically coherent way.
And, if it were the cae that humankind was just a freakish accident,
so what? A man ejaculates between 40 and 600 million sperm. That
means you, personally, are roughly one in 250 million. That's a pretty
freakish percentage, yet you don't question that, right? What's the
big deal if humankind is just a wild coincidence?
Nemesio
15 Apr 07
Originally posted by jammerAtheism doesn't say anything about the origin of man, other than that man wasn't created by a god. So atheism doesn't require people to believe in the theory of evolution. Besides, the theory of evolution doesn't say that the origin of man is an accident or pure chance.
Not a cop out .. a belief system, and like other systems it reqires faith. In this case, faith that the theory of evolution proves the origin of man to be an accident, pure chance.
15 Apr 07
Originally posted by NordlysGood point Nordlys, both sides seem to forget that atheism and evolution don't have to go together, just because the most vocal theists don't believe evolution and the most vocal atheists do.
Atheism doesn't say anything about the origin of man, other than that man wasn't created by a god. So atheism doesn't require people to believe in the theory of evolution. Besides, the theory of evolution doesn't say that the origin of man is an accident or pure chance.