Questions for Deification Deniers

@sonship said
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
[quote] 'If anyone teaches a different doctrine and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that accords with godliness, he is puffed up with conceit and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy craving for controversy and for quarrels about words, which produce envy, dissension, slander, evil suspicions, and constant fr ...[text shortened]... d manifest in the flesh.
That is about godliness thus DEFINED as God manifest in the flesh.

@Ghost-of-a-Duke

Ultimately the consumation of God's process in the flesh is deification.
It is the climax of a process.

Godliness is not only that which was shown in Christ.
It is also the expectation for those of His church.

You're using these synonomns of one more secular definition of deification.

adulation, hero worship, idolatry, idolization, worship, worshipping (also worshiping adoration, deference, reverence, veneration
idealization, romanticization affection, fancy, favor, fondness, like, liking, love
appreciation, esteem, regard, respect
approval )

A helpful illustration of deification is the sword and fire example. Imagine a steel sword thrust into a hot fire. It remains there until it takes on a red glow. The energy of the fire interpenetrates the sword, but the sword never becomes the fire itself. Instead, it merely takes on the properties of the fire.

For many Fathers, theosis goes beyond simply restoring people to their state before the Fall of Adam and Eve. In fact, some teach that because Christ united the human and divine natures in his person, it is now possible for someone to experience closer fellowship with God than Adam and Eve initially experienced in the Garden of Eden. Additionally, some teach that people can become more like God than Adam and Eve were at that time. Other Orthodox theologians go so far as to say that Jesus would have become incarnate for this reason alone, even if Adam and Eve had never sinned.

@sonship said
@Ghost-of-a-Duke

Ultimately the consumation of God's process in the flesh is deification.
It is the climax of a process.

@Ghost-of-a-Duke

Little tit for tat one liners with fewer and fewer words doesn't mean much to me.

@sonship said
@Ghost-of-a-Duke

Little tit for tat one liners with fewer and fewer words doesn't mean much to me.

@sonship

Back on topic, would you say that the concept of deification is compatible with the concept of panentheism (not pantheism, but panentheism), and in that case could it be said that deification is more a process of recognition and revealing more of what was already there but hidden in the person undergoing that process?

@Kevin-Eleven


I am not prepared to speak to panentheism as I would have to review that.
I know there is a difference between pantheism and panentheism.
I would want to re study that before I said anything.

I do have a book with a chapter on it.

@sonship said
@Kevin-Eleven


I am not prepared to speak to panentheism as I would have to review that.
I know there is a difference between pantheism and panentheism.
I would want to re study that before I said anything.

I do have a book with a chapter on it.

@Kevin-Eleven

I have some things to read to converse with you on this.
To narrow it down since I am not a philosopher but a Bible student -

Are you talking about the philosophy / theology of, say, Alfred North Whitehead ?
If not give me some names please connected to what you're asking.

Well, was Christ deified ?
Did the process of deification take place with Christ ?

Should we consider that Jesus was deified ?

@sonship said
Well, was Christ deified ?
Did the process of deification take place with Christ ?

Was Jesus somehow a human being before he became "the Son of God"?

Was he created a mortal and then deified?

@FMF

Yes. The man Jesus was God incarnated as a man.

And the man, what God became, what God put on (so to speak) was then deified in resurrection.

I intend to show that He took the lead to be deified as a Leader to His saved who follow Him in that deification.

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