Questions for Deification Deniers

@josephw

That assertion is unsupported by any verse of scripture I can find.

No man ever born was ever like Jesus. Jesus is singularly unique, and no one is like him.

"...it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him..."

It says we don't know what we shall be, and we know we will be like him when he appears.

It doesn't say we're like him now, or we somehow mysteriously became like him at his incarnation.

@sonship said
Ghost, I laid it all ot there for you verses 7 - 12 of 2 COR. 4.
Did you account for that 93% twisting yet ?

@Ghost-of-a-Duke

Your evidence that 93% of 2 Cor. 4:7-12 was twisted by me is
is None. Nada. Nil.

Your evidence that 93% of 2 Cor. 4:7-12 was twisted by me is
is None. Nada. Nil.

@sonship said

Your evidence that 93% of 2 Cor. 4:7-12 was twisted by me is
is None. Nada. Nil.

If some go for more down thumbing it makes no difference.
Six or seven more red thumbs down won't change anything.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Thread update:

Nobody has agreed with you that you have been deified. Not an atheist, not a Christian.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Thread update:

Nobody has agreed with you that you have been deified. Not an atheist, not a Christian.

@sonship said
Put your cheerleading pom poms down for a time, long enough to DEMONSTRATE exactly how 2 Cor. 4:7-12 was 93% twisted by me.

Can't do it, can you?
All you CAN do is play cheerleader.

@Ghost-of-a-Duke

Where is the twisting?

Did I make it to mean -
His life is NOT in the apostles?
His life is NOT a treasure in earthen vessels?
His life is NOT to be manifested in them?
His life does NOT have the excellency of the power?

Where did I twist away the meaning ?
Where did I render the verse to NOT say what it actually says ?

You can't show that, not with 93% of it or 1% of it.

@Ghost-of-a-Duke

Nothing in 2 Cor. 4:7-12 backs up your claim that you have been deified. It merely highlights you have lost the ability to read scripture as it was intended.

@sonship

Ghost of a Duke, does God exist ?

Folks, Second Corinthians 4:7-12 is about how the workers of God - Paul and his apostolic co-workers (as EXAMPLES to the rest rather than official hierarchical rulers) were constituted to be the kind of people they were.

Christ, the resurrected one was lving in them, one with them. He was the divine living treasure in the earthen vessels of their mortal bodeis, their mortal flesh.

They were constituted with God in Christ as ones within whom the God-man Jesus was living. God was living in them. No matter how much trouble, persecution, turmoil, God in Christ as the Spirit was their life, the One living in them.

They POSSESSED this One.
"Death operates in us but life in you" .

The more trouble they faced the MORE Christ was manifested in them causing them to MINISTER this Person Jesus to and into the audience. They were ministers constituted to minister a Person - LIFE into the hearers. They ministered the Triune God who lived within them as the treasure in their earthen vessels.

Ie. The more death operates in us, the more trouble, the more we minister divine life TO you.

I respect someone saying they don't want to refer to that as deification.
But I respect also that it is a reasonable definition of what this Christ as Life in you being nanifested is - the dispensing of God into man.

Can someone not believing in God at all have a clearer understanding of Second Corinthians? I don't think so.

We'll talk more about Second Corinthians.

@sonship said
Folks, Second Corinthians 4:7-12 is about how the workers of God - Paul and his apostolic co-workers (as EXAMPLES to the rest rather than official hierarchical rulers) were constituted to be the kind of people they were.

Christ, the resurrected one was lving in them, one with them. He was the divine living treasure in the earthen vessels of their mortal bodeis, ...[text shortened]... anding of Second Corinthians? I don't think so.

We'll talk more about Second Corinthians.

@sonship said

Can someone not believing in God at all have a clearer understanding of Second Corinthians? I don't think so.

No need for upgrade.
Ghost's selective fundamentalism (what confirms that God does not exist) still can't line by line show twisting in my usage of 2 Cor. 4:7-12
He claims to (selectively) follows Christians and still can't answer.

What I see is a few Christian brothers and sisters rather silent and waiting maybe undecided.

One said in essence that he knows just about everything so well to the point that showing anything else is pushing "hidden meanings" on him. I don't know if Josephw still feels that the life of Christ being manifested in our mortal bodies is pushing "hidden meanings" not really there in the Bible.

Where is the twisting?

Did I make it to mean -
His life is NOT in the apostles?
His life is NOT a treasure in earthen vessels?
His life is NOT to be manifested in them?
His life does NOT have the excellency of the power?

Where did I twist away the meaning ?
Where did I render the verse to NOT say what it actually says ?

You can't show that, not with 93% of it or 1% of it.