Questions for Deification Deniers

I herby upgrade my 93% to 100% that nothing in the passage you quoted means you have been personally deified.

@sonship said
No need for upgrade.
Ghost's selective fundamentalism (what confirms that God does not exist) still can't line by line show twisting in my usage of 2 Cor. 4:7-12
He claims to (selectively) follows Christians and still can't answer.

What I see is a few Christian brothers and sisters rather silent and waiting maybe undecided.

One said in essence that he knows ...[text shortened]... to NOT say what it actually says ?

You can't show that, not with 93% of it or 1% of it. [/quote]

@sonship said

I herby upgrade my 93% to 100% that nothing in the passage you quoted means you have been personally deified.

Ghost, I already know that you lie. You do not have to brag that your mouth is now twice as big.

What you SAID was that I "twisted" the passage.
And you can't demonstrate any twisting of the passage.

@Ghost-of-a-Duke

You take scripture like 'partaking in the this divine nature' and misconstrue/twist this to mean you are partaking in the divinity of God, becoming deified. This is a wrong understanding of scripture. It is born of human ego and arrogance.

@Ghost-of-a-Duke

After 47 pages, I see no evidence that any Christian is undecided. I do however see evidence of Christians saying there is no scriptural support for your deification and accusing you of blasphemy.

Folks the Bible says taht the saved are to be made "partners of the Christ" .

Now we all know the saved are the sinful being forgiven, pardoned, and justified by the Savior. But this verse says not only that, but God intends to make them partners of the Christ...

In what sense partners ?

Well, in one sense He is the FORERUNNER who led the way and is "leading many sons into glory." He led the way into glory. And as Pioneer and Captain He is leading many sons to follow Him.

Follow Him where?
Follow Him into the glorious expression of God and man united.
He is the Jashua (Greek Jesus) as a conquering general leading many brothers into the mingling of humanity and the Divine Being.

"For it as fitting for Him, for whom are all things and through whom are all things in leading many sons into glory, to make the Author [or Captain] of their salvation perfect through sufferings, For both He who sanctifies and those who are being sanctified are all of One, for whoch casuse HE is not ashamed to call them brothers." (Heb. 2:10,11)

He is not ashamed to call them [b]"brothers."{/b]
Why is the athiest claiming we should be ashamed?

@sonship said
Deification is appreciating the extensiveness and effectiveness of Jesus saving His people "to the uttermost." It is a statement of how thorough and effective Christ's full salvation - "so great a salvation" to make former sinners "partners of the Christ" IS.

@sonship said

Our deification is an expression of God's great love.

@sonship said
Why is the athiest claiming we should be ashamed?

@Ghost-of-a-Duke
No I do not broaden the definition. I restrict it to not mean replace the Godhead or be the Godhead. And THAT I have had to do a few times.

Once I gave you four paragraphs from Affirmation and Critique Magazine which is tailored to the educated theological audience. The co-workers have different publications with difference TARGETED audiences in mind. Affirmartion and Critique has as its intended audience theological professors and students.

Other magazines are aimed at other readers. And HERE again is where Ron Kangus spoke of deification with the proper limits on what we mean.

Quotations from Affirmation and Critique magazine published by Living Stream Ministry. Vol XV No. 2 Fall of 2010.

Article by Ron Kangus entitled New Jerusalem - the Consummation of the Divine Economy according to the High Peak of the Divine Revelaton

Selected quotes copied by hand carefully -

"This means that the New Jerusalem, as the ultimate and eternal corporate expression of the Triune God, is the consummation of God becomming a man and man becoming God in life, in nature, and in expression but not in the Godhead."
- pg 23.

"The high peak of ther divine revelation in the Holy Scriptures is that God became man so that, in Christ, redeemed man may become God in life, nature, constitution, and expression but not in the Godhead nor as an object of worship"
- pg. 23

"This corporate expression is the consummation of the divine economy, the goal of God's plan and arrangement to dispesne Himself in Christ as the Spirit into our being to be our life, our life supply, and our everything so that we may expressed Him. This, in and with the New Jerusalem the high peak of the divine revelation . . . "
- pg. 23,24

" If we consider certain crucial and intrinsic aspects of the New Jerusalem as the corporate, yet personal, expression of the Triune God , we may be confirmed in the realization that the existence of the New Jerusalem is predicated upon God becoming man and man becoming God in life and nature but not in the Godhead."
- pg. 24

@sonship said
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
No I do not broaden the definition. I restrict it to not mean replace the Godhead or be the Godhead. And THAT I have had to do a few times.

@Ghost-of-a-Duke

I said you repeatedly try to broaden this rejection of deification to include normal Christians. As we have seen in this thread, normal Christians are not on board with the whole deification thing, even accusing you of blasphemy.

@sonship said
@Ghost-of-a-Duke

I said you repeatedly try to broaden this rejection of deification to include normal Christians. As we have seen in this thread, normal Christians are not on board with the whole deification thing, even accusing you of blasphemy.

The New Jerusalem at the end of the Bible and at the end of history will contain all th ...[text shortened]... God, at a full-grown man, at the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ." (Eph. 4:3) [/b]

@sonship

I think this particular passage speaks to you directly:

'For the time is coming when people will not endure sound teaching, but having itching ears they will accumulate for themselves teachers to suit their own passions.'
(2 Timothy 4:3 ESV)

@Ghost-of-a-Duke

'If anyone teaches a different doctrine and does not agree with the sound words of our Lord Jesus Christ and the teaching that accords with godliness, he is puffed up with conceit and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy craving for controversy and for quarrels about words, which produce envy, dissension, slander, evil suspicions, and constant friction among people who are depraved in mind and deprived of the truth, imagining that godliness is a means of gain.'
(1 Timothy 6:3-5 ESV))