Questions for Deification Deniers

@sonship said
Okay Christians. Are you happy to have atheist Ghost of a Duke and agnostic atheist FMF speak up for you as your spokepersons ?

That would be like asking the serpent in the Garden of Eden to lead us on a Bible study.

That would be like voting to have Judas Iscariot conduct a seminar on Chrsitian discipleship.

@sonship said
@FMF

You blanked it out.

That would be putting it mildly.

@FMF


One thing for sure. You know how to use a thesarus.

Don't you have some Sci Fi movies to nourish your spirituality somewhere ?

@sonship said
One thing for sure. You know how to use a thesarus.

@sonship said
Don't you have some Sci Fi movies to nourish your spirituality somewhere ?

@sonship said
Okay Christians. Are you happy to have atheist Ghost of a Duke and agnostic atheist FMF speak up for you as your spokepersons ?

I think I have been pretty reasonable prosing questions to tease out the validity of deification.

For some of you who take the Bible more seriously, let's put out more of the passage:

Selective bolding this time.

"But we have this treasure in earthen vessels that the excellency of the power may be of God and not out of us. We are pressed on every side but not constricted; unable to find a way out but not utterly without a way out.
Persecuted but not abandon; cast down but not destroyed.
Always bearing about in the body the putting to death of Jesus that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our body. For we who are alive are always being deliver3 unto death for Jesus' sake that the life of Jesus also may be manifested in our mortal flesh. So then death operates in us, but life in you." (vs. 7-12).

How about "this treasure in earthen vessels" has to do with "the life of Jesus may be manifested in our mortal flesh."?

And Jesus is WHO ?
Jesus is God.

And "the life of Jesus" is the life of God ?
The life of the God-man Jesus Christ is the life of God?

What is to be manifested in the motal flesh?
"that the life of Jesus might be manifested in our mortal flesh".

What is the "treasure in earthen vessels" with its excellency of the power?

It must be the life of Jesus. You know? " . . . the life of Jesus may be manifested in our body" . . . "the life of Jesus may be manifested in our mortal flesh."

If you wanted to refer to the SOMETHING - IFICATION to refer to human beings having in their earthen vessels the life of the God incarnate in Jesus Christ . . . the life of God in Jesus Christ to be manifested in the earthen vessels of the body, how would "deification" not be a possible candidate to express such a truth ?

And if your reply is "TOTALLY and ABSOLUTELY inappropriate!" I would say "Well, that's an opinion. And not all Christians down though two millennia would necessarily agree with you."

I don't.
"We have" . . . "the life of Jesus" . . . a treasure in earthen vessels. No matter what tribulation occurs all the more the excellency of the power of God in this "life of Jesus" can be manifested in our mortal flesh.

It is not too much to say this is a "deification" taking place in the Christians.

@sonship said

And Jesus is WHO ?
Jesus is God.

@Ghost-of-a-Duke


We have this treasure in earthen vessels.

"WE . . . have this treasure . . . "

Which, Christians, would you consider more of a candidate for accusation of blasphemy?

1.) Coming to the end of 66 books of the Bible and saying " You know God wants to deify man by imparting the life of Jesus into them - able to withstand any turmoil like an excellent treasure in earthen vessels."

2.) Coming to the end of 66 books of the Bible and saying "The entire book is a lie. No such God exists. In fact I am more righteous than this mytholgical figure in this here book."

If it turns out that God exists and there is an acounting for every careless word you uttered, which would you less want to have to explain why you said it to God someday?

@sonship said
@Ghost-of-a-Duke


We have this treasure in earthen vessels.

"WE . . . have this treasure . . . "

@sonship said
"We have" . . . "the life of Jesus" . . . a treasure in earthen vessels. No matter what tribulation occurs all the more the excellency of the power of God in this "life of Jesus" can be manifested in our mortal flesh.

It is not too much to say this is a "deification" taking place in the Christians.

@Ghost-of-a-Duke

Jonah a picture of deification . . . ?

That's quite a leap. More goal post shifting.

If you want an Old Testament person as a figure of how we mean deification I would recommend Jacob. He had his name and being transformed from a scoundrel to a prince of God Israel). He ended up blessing Pharoah who was the highest authority in the world. The greater usually blesses the lesser in the Bible.

I would recommend Joseph. Everything unfortunate that happened to him God only used to exalt him to be a ruler of the world at that time.

@FMF

Yes, too much it's a stretch. It's convoluted.

Where are the speedy repliers when I ask this?

Which, Christians, would you consider more of a candidate for accusation of blasphemy?

1.) Coming to the end of 66 books of the Bible and saying " You know God wants to deify man by imparting the life of Jesus into them - able to withstand any turmoil like an excellent treasure in earthen vessels."

2.) Coming to the end of 66 books of the Bible and saying "The entire book is a lie. No such God exists. In fact I am more righteous than this mythological figure in this here book."

If it turns out that God exists and there is an acounting for every careless word you uttered, which would you less want to have to explain why you said it to God someday?