01 Feb 22
@sonship saidUtter church BS designed to fool people.
Gods chosen and the elect have no need to do that
You have added minor stuff and blasphemous stuff.
Either way your aim is to drag people down the path of damnation with you.
Cain invented the first religion. Abel, like his parents offered to God according to God's revelation.
[b]"And in the course of time Cain brought an offering to Jehov ...[text shortened]... e and returned to the father's house, not as a servant, but as a son made alive who had become dead.
You constantly twist and change the bible.
I quote the bible exactly as it is written.
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01 Feb 22
@Rajk999
Do you have the gift or free gift of eternal life?
Or will you hmm and haw, evade, dodge, sidestep, vehemantly denoucne and call names INSTEAD of confessing that you have the Son therefore you have the life?
"He who has the Son has the life, he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.
I have written these things to you may know that you have eternal life, to you who believe into the name of the Son of God." ( 1 John 5:12,13)
Rajk999, I have the life.
I have the eternal life.
I believe in the Son of God.
I believe into name of the Son of God by His great mercy to me.
The miracle of me believing the Gospel has somehow taken place in me.
And I know that I have eternal life beause the Son I have.
Now, I do not KNOW that when the millennial kingdom arrives with Christ's second coming I will be rewarded to reign with Him becasue I have allowed Him to sanctifiy me, conform me to His image.
But I know I am in such a good place for that to be a possibility - on the farm of the normal church life, growing Christ in me.
@sonship saidYou are the one that is evading and dodging and sidestepping. Asking personal questions does change one iota what is in the bible. We are here to discuss the bible. What I think or believe is totally irrelevant to what Jesus and the Apostles preached in the bible. So nobody really cares what delusions you have or what you think you have.
@Rajk999
Do you have the gift or free gift of eternal life?
Or will you hmm and haw, evade, dodge, sidestep, vehemantly denoucne and call names INSTEAD of confessing that you have the Son therefore you have the life?
[b]"He who has the Son has the life, he who does not have the Son of God does not have the life.
I have written these things to you ...[text shortened]... od place for that to be a possibility - on the farm of the normal church life, growing Christ in me.
What the bible says pertaining to eternal life over and over is that it is for the righteous people who kept the commandments of God.
Christians who are righteous get eternal life and they rule with Christ for 1000 yrs
Christians who are sinners are cast out
All others are judged at the end of the millenium.
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01 Feb 22
@rajk999 said<<I quote the bible exactly as it is written.>>
Utter church BS designed to fool people.
You constantly twist and change the bible.
I quote the bible exactly as it is written.
Except where Jesus Christ and the Apostles say salvation is by Grace through faith or that people can know they are saved while on earth; or when the Holy Bible and Jesus talk about the importance of belief, faith and prayer; or when Jesus tells people to love God and love their neighbor; or when Jesus tells followers to take Holy Communion in remembrance of Him; or when Jesus Christ says His blood was shed for the remission of sins; or when the Holy Bible says again and again that God can and does help believers while they are on earth; or when Jesus and the Apostle Paul talk about the importance of fellowship with other believers; or when Jesus and the Apostle Paul talk about God’s Holy Spirit indwelling believers; and on and on.
All of that in the Holy Bible *and more* you consistently either mock or ignore.
You’ve reduced to irrelevancy what Jesus Christ accomplished on the cross and have reduced the Holy Bible to “Do good works. Jesus will judge.”
01 Feb 22
@pb1022 saidSalvation is not eternal life. The death of Christ brought salvation to ALL PEOPLE.
<<I quote the bible exactly as it is written.>>
Except where Jesus Christ and the Apostles say salvation is by Grace through faith or that people can know they are saved while on earth; or when the Holy Bible and Jesus talk about the importance of belief, faith and prayer; or when Jesus tells people to love God and love their neighbor; or when Jesus tells followers to take ...[text shortened]... rist accomplished on the cross and have reduced the Holy Bible to “Do good works. Jesus will judge.”
That means they are justified and the sin of Adam was cancelled. All people who live righteously will at some point get eternal life. Righteous Christians first, then all others at the end of the 1000 yrs.
Saved by Grace is an OPPORTUNITY for eternal life IF you live righteously otherwise as Paul said repeatedly there is no inheritance in the Kingdom of God.
Why do you ignore that?
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01 Feb 22
@rajk999 saidMore of your false doctrine.
Salvation is not eternal life. The death of Christ brought salvation to ALL PEOPLE.
That means they are justified and the sin of Adam was cancelled. All people who live righteously will at some point get eternal life. Righteous Christians first, then all others at the end of the 1000 yrs.
Saved by Grace is an OPPORTUNITY for eternal life IF you live righteously other ...[text shortened]... se as Paul said repeatedly there is no inheritance in the Kingdom of God.
Why do you ignore that?
Believe whatever you want. I don’t even read your posts any more ‘cause you just post the same Christ-denying nonsense over and over again and ignore any questions or comments that expose your false, Christ-denying doctrine for the rubbish it is.
01 Feb 22
@pb1022 saidThe Christ denying label sticks firmly on people like you.
More of your false doctrine.
Believe whatever you want. I don’t even read your posts any more ‘cause you just post the same Christ-denying nonsense over and over again and ignore any questions or comments that expose your false, Christ-denying doctrine for the rubbish it is.
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Salvation is not eternal life. The death of Christ brought salvation to ALL PEOPLE.
The life of Jesus is the salvation.
"For if we, being enemies, were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more we will be saved in His life." (Romans 5:10)
"SAVED [salvation] . . . in His [Christ's] life."
That means they are justified and the sin of Adam was cancelled. All people who live righteously will at some point get eternal life. Righteous Christians first, then all others at the end of the 1000 yrs.
His very life is salvation. And His life is the divine and eternal life of God.
Much more we shall be "saved in His life."
In fact Romans 5:18 also speaks of "justification of life to all men".
That is to "all men" who receive Him.
"But as many as received Him, to them He gave the authority to become children of God, to those who believe into His name,
Who were begotten not of blood,
Nor of the will of the flesh,
Nor of the will of man,
but of God." (John 1:12,13)
"As many as received Him" is not "As many as EITHER received Him or REJECTED Him" .
Saved by Grace is an OPPORTUNITY for eternal life IF you live righteously otherwise as Paul said repeatedly there is no inheritance in the Kingdom of God.
The grace is the grace of life.
First Peter 3:7 speaks of the Christian husband and Christian wife together being heirs of the grace of life.
" . . . fellow heirs of the grace of life."
Redemption lays the way for God to dispense His life into man.
So full salvation has its judicial side and its "organic" side.
Having been reconciled we shall much more be saved in the whole realm and sphere of Jesus Christ as life to us - divine and eternal life.
"Much more then, having now been justified in His blood, we will be SAVED through Him from the wrath. (v.9)
For if we, being enemies, were reconciled to God through the death of His Son, much more we will be SAVED in His life, having been reconciled." (v.10)
01 Feb 22
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@sonship saidSomething is sadly wrong with you and your doctrine. Although I am an agreement with the fact that you are saved, you are justified, you are born again,,, everything ... as Paul also says... you are omitting the part where Paul in ALL the letters to the churches warned Christian Saints that if they did not live righteously THERE IS NO ETERNAL LIFE .
@Rajk999
Salvation is not eternal life. The death of Christ brought salvation to ALL PEOPLE.
The life of Jesus is the salvation.
So what you have is half of a doctrine and cheap grace because you are hell-bent on promoting the idea that a Christian can live a life of sin and there is nothing God can do to put that evil man out of the Kingdom of God. Paul and all the Apostles made that crystal clear that that Christian is destroyed. You are a stupid man promoting a stupid doctrine that can only appeal to a fool.
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01 Feb 22
Although I am an agreement with the fact that you are saved, you are justified, you are born again,,, everything .
Then you have CHANGED.
Repeatedly you have assigned me to damning.
Repeatedly you have said "born again" pertains to the resurrection of the body.
So now you appear to have CHANGED your attitude toward me.
Not that it is a great concern to me that you have.
01 Feb 22
@rajk999 saidNo matter how you twist it you're still saying salvation is earned.
Salvation is not eternal life. The death of Christ brought salvation to ALL PEOPLE.
That means they are justified and the sin of Adam was cancelled. All people who live righteously will at some point get eternal life. Righteous Christians first, then all others at the end of the 1000 yrs.
Saved by Grace is an OPPORTUNITY for eternal life IF you live righteously other ...[text shortened]... se as Paul said repeatedly there is no inheritance in the Kingdom of God.
Why do you ignore that?
01 Feb 22
@rajk999 saidIn one post you say everybody gets saved, and in the next you're saying others are destroyed.
Something is sadly wrong with you and your doctrine. Although I am an agreement with the fact that you are saved, you are justified, you are born again,,, everything ... as Paul also says... you are omitting the part where Paul in ALL the letters to the churches warned Christian Saints that if they did not live righteously THERE IS NO ETERNAL LIFE .
So what you hav ...[text shortened]... ian is destroyed. You are a stupid man promoting a stupid doctrine that can only appeal to a fool.
"A double minded man is unstable in all his ways."