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This is a characteristic of one who has an evil heart of unbelief - slander.
He has given himself over to slander Christians against Christians.
He has given himself over to slander God to Christians.
He has even assisted the Slanderer to slander Christians to God.
All the way around he is given to slander.
The heart has been hardened against the truth.
It is tragic and can be dangerous. Because one day he may want to believe in God's salvation but finds that he has locked himself out and thrown away any key. And now he cannot believe even if he wants to.
This can be the tragic result of hardeneing the heart beyond remedy.
Proverbs 29:1 says "He who hardens his neck after being often reproved will suddenly be broken beyond remedy."
The Bible has a number of examples of those who hardened their will and heart against God like this. Pharoah in Exodus is a notable example.
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Josephw,
To tease this out a bit more -
Did Jesus overcome the world by "the divine nature?"
I would say that He did.
Now it is our turn to be "partakers of the divine nature" .
" . . . He has granted to us precious and exceedingly great promises that through these you might become partrakers ofthe dicine nature, having escaped the corruption which is in the world through lust." (2 Pet. 1:4)
Is the divine nature through which we are called to overcome the world the same as the divine nature through which the Son of God overcame the world?
Is that divine nature, God's nature ?
@sonship saidYou continue with your delusion. Peter is saying that anyone who displays certain characteristics are partakers in the divine nature. This divine nature cannot be monopolized by Christians. Here are the characteristics - virtue; knowledge; temperance; patience; godliness; brotherly kindness; charity.
Josephw,
To tease this out a bit more -
Did Jesus overcome the world by "the divine nature?"
I would say that He did.
Now it is our turn to be "partakers of the divine nature" .
Peter continued that whoever has these qualities in them they are neither be barren nor unfruitful in the knowledge of our Lord Jesus Christ. Jesus died and justified ALL PEOPLE as Paul explained in Romans 5 and ALL who have these qualities are partakers in the divine nature.
Sadly for you, you continue on your path to damnation by preaching mouth worship and dead faith.
@rajk999 saidButt out Rajk.
You continue with your delusion. Peter is saying that anyone who displays certain characteristics are partakers in the divine nature. This divine nature cannot be monopolized by Christians. Here are the characteristics - virtue; knowledge; temperance; patience; godliness; brotherly kindness; charity.
Peter continued that whoever has these qualities in the ...[text shortened]...
Sadly for you, you continue on your path to damnation by preaching mouth worship and dead faith.
@sonship saidI agree with all that.
@josephw
My mistake on Deo. Scratch that. I withdraw the usage of that.
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Can you tell me what these verses mean?
1 John 1:8-10
¶ If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
If we say that we have no ...[text shortened]... Within we have a "Helper" who is growintg. He is without sin by nature, life, and expression.
@josephw saidWhen you cannot defend your church doctrine and you are from the gutter with the intellect of a 5 yr old... that is the best response ... At least PB1022 comes up with the claim that he is in the New Covenant hoping I dont know what that means. And sonship posts over and over all the passages that can be twisted to support dead faith and mouth faith. 'Butt out' is not so classy.. Try something else.
Butt out Rajk.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidWhether figurative, metaphorical, symbolic, allegorical, parabolic or hyperbolic everything has meaning and application.
Here's a thought sonship. Perhaps some things in the Bible are figurative and not intended to be taken literally.
The concept of "literal" interpretation is not meant to supersede literary prose and thereby dismissing intent and subsequently disannull the validity of any truth.
For example: the parable of the sower. Parable means to "bring alongside". A literal truth is brought into view by using the agricultural symbols, which was understood by those hearing the parable, and demonstrated a literal truth.
God's word is as a seed planted in the soil of the heart. Figurative of a literal truth.
@rajk999 saidShut up Rajk. No one is listening to you corn flake.
Christians have made a royal mess of these passages, by claiming that they have eternal life already and they are born of God and are regenerated. Christians have develpoed a greedy doctrine, taking what is not yet theirs and claiming it as theirs before the time and before judgment day.
The bible does not support that doctrine. Here is the correct process:
- profess f ...[text shortened]...
- they can move like the wind
- they are spirit beings
- they are begotton of God.
NOT BEFORE
@josephw saidI think quite a few people are seeing how your church doctrine falls like house of cards. Like Jesus said your house is built on the sand, and he explained what being born of the Spirit was all about
Shut up Rajk. No one is listening to you corn flake.
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God. That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit. Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.(John 3:5-8 KJV)
You are flesh. A spirit being is born of the Spirit.
You not there yet.
@sonship saidI think you would be in error.
Did Jesus overcome the world by "the divine nature?"
I would say that He did.
Jesus did not "overcome" the world by "the Devine nature".
Jesus overcame the world as a man. From the very start, as Satan tempted him, Jesus, as a man, resisted by quoting scripture as a man.
Read the account. Nowhere does it say Jesus said, "hey bub, don't you know I'm God?"
Until Jesus said, " it is finished" did he call down 12 legions of angels, but operated as a man, his miracles notwithstanding.
We are made "partakers of the Devine nature", but not fully realized until we're glorified.
And still we will never be Gods. Always approaching, but never arriving. Forever.
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@sonship saidUnbelievers in your particular deity are not evil.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
This is a characteristic of one who has an evil heart of unbelief - slander.
He has given himself over to slander Christians against Christians.
He has given himself over to slander God to Christians.
He has even assisted the Slanderer to slander Christians to God.
All the way around he is given to slander.
The heart has been hardened agains ...[text shortened]... se who hardened their will and heart against God like this. Pharoah in Exodus is a notable example.
Religion has a lot to answer for if it leads you to believe such things. I'm pretty sure there has been someone in your life you've cared about who didn't believe in your God. Were/are they evil of heart?
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Josephw,
I apologise for the cluttering up of things by Rajk999 and Ghost.
They certainly can converse with one another.
My question for your musing, for your consideration is this.
If Christ overcame the lust that is in the world through the divine nature, then we believers as 'partakers of the divine nature" (2 Pet. 1:4) are in possession of what He has.
Am I correct on that?
Is that divine nature the nature of God ?
If it is then that means the ones begotten of God are in possession of the nature of God. I don't see any alternative for this except one argue that Christ did not overcome the world through the divine nature.
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However He said we should LEARN of Him in the carrying of His yoke and the bearing of His burden which was light.
"Come to Me all who toil and are burdened, and I will give you rest. Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am meek and lowly in heart, and you will find rest for your souls. For My yoke is easy and My burden is light." (Matt. 11:28-30)
He invites us to walk as He walked by that same power, light yoke, light burden of divine nature that He walked by.
He even says that as He lived by the Father we in turn live by Him, taking Him in as "food" - to internalize and to "eat" - to assimilate - to digest and be filled in our constitution with.
" As the living Father has sent Me and I live because of the Father, so he who eats Me, he also shall live because of Me." (John 6:57)
Have the believers in Jesus Christ become in some sense God in life and nature and expression yet not in His Godhead ?
My asnwer is yes.