Questions for Deification Deniers

Well, can we say that Jesus is a Forerunner into heaven itself ?

I am not going to bludgeon anyone into speaking exactly as I speak.

Can we say that, by carefully examining the context, that Jesus leads the way as a Forerunner into Heaven itself ?

"For Christ did not enter into a holy place made with hands . . . but into heaven itself, to appear before the face of God for us." (Heb. 9:24)

Is it safe to say Jesus was then a Forerunner into heaven itself?
Any blasphemy there?

Joseph, you know nobody is going to "hoodwink" you.

Is it safe for me to teach that Jesus is a Forerunner into heaven itself?

See Heb. 6:20 and Heb. 9:24.
Any problem with blaphemy saying He is a Forerunner for Christains into heaven
itself ?

I can't see any.
Neither do I see any "hoodwinking".

How about Jesus is a Forerunner into glory - leading the way for followers?

"For it was fitting for Him, for whom are all things and through whom are all things, in leading many sons into glory . . . " (Heb. 2:10)

Does anyone see a blasphemy problem with me saying the Son of God is a Forerunner leading "many sons into glory" ?

Is Jesus a Forerunner for His people into "glory?"

@pb1022 said
I’ve never encountered an atheist so concerned about someone allegedly misrepresenting a God the atheist doesn’t believe exists. 👻 😜

@sonship said
@PB1022
He is extremely concerned with the sin of blasphamy apparently.

@sonship said
@Ghost-of-a-Duke

It's true that the Bible says that. It is not true that the Bible says man will become a God.

So is it true or not ?

"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" (Gen. 1:1)

@ghost-of-a-duke said
Why not endeavor again to present a meaningful post on this site and address this deification issue?

I’ve never encountered a theist so unconcerned about someone misrepresenting a God they believed in.

@pb1022 said
I addressed that point already.

sonship isn’t leading people away from salvation in Jesus Christ as atheists and other Christ deniers are. Those are the people I prefer to argue with.

And God hardly needs me to defend Him.

@ghost-of-a-duke said
The Bible is quite clear on blasphemy.

“Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven." Matthew 12:31


I think claiming deification qualifies as blasphemy against the Spirit.

@Ghost-of-a-Duke


I have not forgotten too much.
I think I already told you when you announced that with glee, that I forgave him or any Christian so leveling the charge against me of blaspheming.

I recall that.

@PB1022

Ghost of a Duke denies Deity in ANY sense, I think.
He denies that God exists.
For him - no God, no gods, no Gods, no Son of God no, no sons of God, nada in any sense on the Divine.

Getting Christians to agree with him concerning their fellow Christian would be his ultimate ace of spades of self comfort to his atheism.

This would be his master stroke to encourage his denying that God IS, with Christians rallying behind him. This I think would be his crowning achievment confirming his blasphemy that God is not totally.

@Ghost-of-a-Duke

It is true the Bible says that. It is also true I am an atheist and do not put stock in the Bible.

Any Christian misunderstanding my teaching of deification to mean Christians should be worshipped as God Himself, and saying this is for me blasheming - I not only forgive them. But I agree with them as well.

The caveats on deification both in history of Christian thought and in my thinking have been outlined. It is just that the false charge is too juicy for Ghost to relinquish.

He wants to assure that he and others whom he wishes to rally to his charge misunderstand and that continually.

This is to be "hoodwinked" and this is him being a charlatan as he accuses others.

@sonship said
Joseph, you know nobody is going to "hoodwink" you.

Is it safe for me to teach that Jesus is a Forerunner into heaven itself?

See Heb. 6:20 and Heb. 9:24.
Any problem with blaphemy saying He is a Forerunner for Christains into heaven
itself ?

I can't see any.
Neither do I see any "hoodwinking".

I think we may have established that Jesus is a Forerunner into heaven itself.
I think we may have established that Jesus is a Forerunner leading "many
sons into glory."

May we say that Jesus is a Forerunner leading many sons of God into "His eternal eternal glory in Christ Jesus"?

"But the God of all grace, He who has called you into His eternal glory in Christ Jesus, after you have suffered a little while, will Himself perfect, establish, strengthen, and ground you. To HIm be the glory and ther might forever and ever. Amen" (1 Peter. 5:10,11)


May we also say Jesus is a Forerunner leading many sons of God into that into which they were CALLED . . ."into His eternal glory in Christ Jesus?"

Any blasphemy in believing this, saints?