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I'm glad I saw this.
You are absolutely right. Forerunner is exactly what Jesus is.
I'll take a step further. And you won't find it literally written this way in scripture, but it's true nonetheless.
When Jesus entered heaven upon his ascension, for the first time in 4000 years did human DNA appear in the presence of God.
The implications are staggering.
I am glad that you find it biblical and staggering.
Now I do not know the chemistry or physics or biology of the next age.
But we shall be like Him. (1 John 3:1,2)
And He wore humanity back to the throne, the ETERNAL throne of God.
Into that realm He is leading the way, the Captain of salvation, the Forerunner the Firstborn.
I think there is someone who doesn't want the church to grasp this.
I think there is someone who does not want Christians to apprehend this deeper
aspect of Justification and Redemption in Christ.
27 Jan 22
@sonship saidI don't see any blasphemy.
I think we may have established that Jesus is a Forerunner into heaven itself.
I think we may have established that Jesus is a Forerunner leading "many
sons into glory."
May we say that Jesus is a Forerunner leading many sons of God into "His eternal eternal glory in Christ Jesus"?
"But the God of all grace, He who has ...[text shortened]... ] . . .[b]"into His eternal glory in Christ Jesus?"
Any blasphemy in believing this, saints?
But I still balk at the notion of being "deified".
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Okay.
But you do see something of what the Forerunner has fore - run into, leading others to follow, I trust.
And you can see that something must happen TO us to be able to follow the leading Forerunner, I trust.
And one of those things is that He would be our life . . . OUR LIFE . . .
"When Christ our life is manifested, then you also will be manifested with Him in glory." (Col. 3:4)
Do you bulk at the revelation that Christ - God-man has become "our life" ?
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Joseph,
I don't see any blasphemy.
But I still balk at the notion of being "deified".
What kind of ______ afied MIGHT might you use to explain Christ becoming
the life of the believers to the extent that He will be marveled at IN all those who have believed in Him.
"When Christ our life is manifested, then you also will be manifested with Him in glory." (Col. 3:4)
And we are told "When He comes to be glorified in His saints and to be marveled at in all those who have believed . . ." (1 Thess. 1:10a)
Here - glorified in His saints.
Here - marveled at IN all those who have believed.
If you WANTED to come up with a term to say they are _______afied, what word might you use to convey this truth ?
Marveled at IN them.
Glorified IN them.
He is their life.
We shall be like Him.
Leading many sons into glory.
Called into His eternal glory in Christ Jesus.
If you WISHED to convey some kind of _______afied term for all this, what phrase might you coin or even invent?
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27 Jan 22
@sonship saidWhy should a Christian trust a false preacher who claims to speak 'higher truths' including man becoming a God?
@Ghost-of-a-DukeIt is true the Bible says that. It is also true I am an atheist and do not put stock in the Bible.
Why should we trust you to be a reliable interpreter of the word of God if you put zero stock in it?
27 Jan 22
@sonship saidThe picture painted by the words of scripture certainly do cause one to wonder about the beauty of heaven. To see that picture with the eyes of our spirit is beyond description.
But we shall be like Him. (1 John 3:1,2)
And He wore humanity back to the throne, the ETERNAL throne of God.
Into that realm He is leading the way, the Captain of salvation, the Forerunner the Firstborn.
27 Jan 22
@sonship saidThe predominant theme of the New Testament is relative to our glorification.
Joseph,
I don't see any blasphemy.
But I still balk at the notion of being "deified".
What kind of ______ afied MIGHT might you use to explain Christ becoming
the life of the believers to the extent that He will be marveled at IN all those who have believed in Him.
[b]"When Christ our life is manifested, then you also will be manife ...[text shortened]... nvey some kind of _______afied term for all this, what phrase might you coin or even invent?
I'm certain I don't know all about what that entails, but we will soon find out.
27 Jan 22
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@ghost-of-a-duke saidSeems to me that of all the religions in the world Christianity has to be the one most maligned, in part by its promoters, and in part by its detractors, considering the scope of its spread around the world.
Well, in fairness, that's because it's not scriptural.
It gives one pause. I stay in the safest place I've found, and that is in the certainty of the immutability and inerrancy of scripture, and by sticking to exactly what it says.
No adding to or taking away from it.
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The predominant theme of the New Testament is relative to our glorification.
I am going to take this as indicative that you do not feel comfortable using any other word except "glorification" about the climax of God's work on us.
I think I fully understand that "glorification" you have no problem with.
Ie. " . . . those whom He justified, these He also glorified." (Rom. 8:30)
I'll come back to this latter.
27 Jan 22
@josephw saidExcept maybe for this one,, Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. (Revelation 22:14-15 KJV)
No adding to or taking away from it.
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It gives one pause. I stay in the safest place I've found, and that is in the certainty of the immutability and inerrancy of scripture, and by sticking to exactly what it says.
Josephw, I admire your attitude. Are you up for a few questions today? With your attitude toward Scripture I really do wish to see how you would reason some things out.
Let me ask you this. Do you think the seed of God which John says abides in the believers has the life and nature of God?
"Everyone who has been begotten of God does not practice sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been begotten of God." (1 John 3:9)
Does that "His seed", ie. a seed of God have:
1.) God's life ?
2.) God's nature ?
3.) God's expression ?
Which one of these attributes does this - "His [God's] seed" not contain?
Or are all three of these divine attributes contained in this seed ?
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PB1022 or Kelly-Jay,
I put the questions to you.
Concerning "His seed" which is God's seed said to abide in those begotten of God -
"Everyone who has been begotten of God does not practice sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been begotten of God." (1 John 3:9)
I would like to know from you dear brothers in the Lord:
I. Does this divine seed - "His seed" contain:
1.) God's life?
2.) God's nature?
3.) God's expression?
And if not which attributes of God above are NOT in this seed of God?
II. I would like to know if this - "His seed" which abides in those begotten of God is the POSSESSION of those within whom the seed abides?
Yes = that seed is also their possession who have been begotten of God.
No = that seed is not the possession of those begotten of God.
Thankyou brethren.
28 Jan 22
@rajk999 saidThis is something I've noticed about yours and divegeester's logic with regards to the "everyone goes to heaven" ideology.
Except maybe for this one,, Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city. For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie. (Revelation 22:14-15 KJV)
You pasted this quote, "dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie."
Do those get to go to heaven?
How about, "...fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners,.."
Strange and irrational logic is it that takes salvation and applies it to those who reject Christ.
It is antichrist to twist the scriptures and make the gospel of Jesus Christ into something it's not.
"There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth, when ye shall see Abraham, and Isaac, and Jacob, and all the prophets, in the kingdom of God, and you yourselves thrust out."
"The Son of man shall send forth his angels, and they shall gather out of his kingdom all things that offend, and them which do iniquity; And shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."
"So shall it be at the end of the world: the angels shall come forth, and sever the wicked from among the just, And shall cast them into the furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth."
28 Jan 22
@sonship saidSeed - sperma - occurs 44 times in the New Testament.
PB1022 or Kelly-Jay,
I put the questions to you.
Concerning "His seed" which is God's seed said to abide in those begotten of God -
"Everyone who has been begotten of God does not practice sin, because His seed abides in him; and he cannot sin, because he has been begotten of God." (1 John 3:9)
I would like to know from you d ...[text shortened]...
No = that seed is not the possession of those begotten of God.
Thankyou brethren.
Translated 43 times as "seed", and once as "issue".
Jesus used it in the parable of the sower. Jesus said, "The seed is the word of God."
It's really not all that complicated. John does an excellent job of explaining it in his epistle.
I know this will sound terrible, but when I read your characterizations of those things of which the scriptures teach, I get the impression that you're trying to reinvent the wheel.
God wrote it down just as we need to read and hear it.
The Holy Spirit teaches and communicates to our spirit and minds what the scriptures mean by what they say.