Questions for Deification Deniers

@divegeester


While you pat yourself on the back write me another one of those "Ah, You seem upset."

This will unqustionable demonstrate that you hit the nail right squarely on the head. So please, send me one of those . . . "Sonship? Why, you seem kind of upset."

THIS will prove to all that thou hast hit the nail on the head really hard.
Would everyone please take a minute to congradulate Divegeester?

@ghost-of-a-duke said
He says it repeatedly Kelly across numerous threads. Even the title of this very thread has him challenging Christians to disagree with his belief in the deification of man.

Look up, read the title. Or pretend you haven't seen it. Sonship is inviting you to deny his deification claims. Why haven't you?!

In the mean time, God said He would not give His glory to anyone.

Isaiah 42:8 - "I am Jehovah, that is My name, And I will not give My glory to another, Nor My praise to idols."

But in Christ's mighty prayer to His Father, the Son says -

"And the glory which You have given Me I have given to them, that they may be one, even as We are one." (John 17:22)

Now I do not believe this petition is a vilation of the soveregn will of Jehovah God. Rather I believe this is His eternal purpose fulfilled to dispense His life and nature yet not His Godhead into His redeemed people.

Christ is the head over all things to the church as a kind of transmision from the Triune God into His people. This too is indication deification in the New Testament sense.

"To Him be the glory in the church and in Christ Jesus unto all the generations forever and ever. Amen." (Eph. 3:21)

" And He subjected all things under His feet and gave Him to be Head over all things to the church, which is His Body, the fullness of the One who fills all in all." (Eph. 1:22,23)

@sonship said
Christ is the head over all things to the church as a kind of transmision from the Triune God into His people. This too is indication deification in the New Testament sense.

@sonship said
@divegeester
While you pat yourself on the back write me another one of those "Ah, You seem upset."
This will unqustionable demonstrate that you hit the nail right squarely on the head. So please, send me one of those . . . "Sonship? Why, you seem kind of upset."
THIS will prove to all that thou hast hit the nail on the head really hard.

@divegeester

Three lengthy posts in report from you without a single acknowledgment that there might be some insight for you in that definition.

Let me preface my comments with what I have written here for many years over again up front.

Those saved by Christ will share only the communicable attributes of God and not the noncummunincable attributes of God.
We will never be an object of worship.
We will never be Creators of universes.
We will never be omniscient, omnipotent, or omnipresent.
We will never be having always been in eternity past.
We will never have the position as the Head of the Body of Christ.
We will never have the Fatherhood as the Source of eternal life.

There are probably other attributes.
We will never be the Godhead.

@sonship said
@divegeester

Three lengthy posts in report from you without a single acknowledgment that there might be some insight for you in that definition.

Much earlier in this thread and in others, I have outlined the difference between what is customarily referred to as deification and the New Testament salvation.

It would be unrealistic to pretend your recent post contributed to our understanding of the differences.

@divegeester

deification
dē″ə-fĭ-kā′shən, dā″-
noun
The act or process of deifying.
The condition of being deified.
One that embodies the qualities of a god.

So Divegeester with his Collins dictionary hopes he can pin on Christians the pride of saying they are above any criticism.

For the record I certainly am not above any criticism.
But look at where were are going as beleivers selected and chosen before the foundation of the world.

"Even as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world to be holy and without blesmish before Him in love, predestinating us untop sonship through Jesus CHrist to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will." (Eph. 1:44,5)


It is totally in the realm of the Person of Jesus Christ.
It is totally in the sphere of Jesus Christ and through Him.
It is a destiny marked out for the saved in Christ before the foundation of the world.
It is a destiny determined before the creation of the unviverse.
It is according to the good please of God not the overreach of fallen man.
It is according to His will not man's presumption.

And it is FOR Him . . . "sonship through Jesus Christ to Himself".

We are just in faith cooperating with the Father and asking Him to fulfill His own eternal purpose in Christ.

Once again Christian brothers and sisters you can see the tactic of the accuser of the brothers. But our battle is not against flesh and blood.

Men are utilized by the enemy of God, but men are not the real enemy.

The accuser's tactic is to tie deification to man's presumptious overreach.
That is to tie the pride of Satan to man's faith in God's full salvation.

Then there is the accusation that to have this hope is to think of oneself as above any criticism as if no PERFECTING need be done.

But while Paul says he and the mature are not YET attained, he also says that no one can bring a charge against God's chosen ones. To God's viewpoint He sees them through the redemption of Christ while He is perfecting them.

"What then shall we say to these things? If God be for us, who can be against us?

Indeed, He who did not spare His own Son, but delivered Him up for us all, how shall He not also with Him freely give us all things?

Who shall bring a charge against God's chosen ones? Is is God who justifies.

Who is he who condemns? It is Christ Jesus who died and, rather, who was raised, who is also at the right hand of God, who also interecedes for us." (Rom. 8:31-34)

We are a work in progress.
Under Christ's eternal redemption and God's justification, we are a work in progress.

A bird's eye view of the whole Bible:

The first verse says "In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth" (Gen 1:1)

And the last verse of the Bible says "The grace of the Lord Jesus be with all the saints. Amen." (Rev. 22:21)


In between is the story of the Triune God dispensing His life and nature into man that man may become corporte expression of God mingled with humanity and the duplication of the prototype of the Son of God Jesus Christ. God as grace being with the ones made holy, the saints via their Savior Jesus Christ.

Now the James Webb telescope is looking for why and how we are here.
Really exciting. But we have the Holy Bible's revelation to let all the world know.

@sonship said
Once again Christian brothers and sisters you can see the tactic of the accuser of the brothers. But our battle is not against flesh and blood.

Saints, wasn't that something about Stephen being a real duplication of Christ?
Stephen was a man gained fully by Jesus to be filled up with the life and nature and expression of Jesus.

They killed Stephen by stoning. But God could not be stopped. There was a young man standing there holding the clokes of Stehen's executioners, Saul of Tarsus. They killed one God-man but he as replaced by an even more effective God-man, the Apostle Paul.

I believe that God began to work in Saul of Tarsus's concience the moment he observed how young Stephen died.

They killed a serving deacon of the church in Jerusalem. And God replaced him with an apostle who wrote some 13 of the 27 New Testament documents.

@divegeester

On another note, why are you using “thou” in your reply?

Another few quotations from Ron Kangus's article The New Jerusalem - the Consummation of the DIvine Economy according to the High Peak of the Divine Revelation."

Affirmation and Critique, Vol. XV NO. 2 Fall 2010

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"Even though God's heart's desire was hidden for so long a time, the Triune God has opened it to the apostles in the New Testament and thereby to us today. He has shown the believers that the desire of His heart is to have a corporate expression of Himself in His beloved Son. This corporate expression is actually the multiplication and enlargement of His Son as the firstborn Son. God delights in His beloved Son to such an extent that He is determined to have a mass reproduction of Him amd thereby produce a corporate person, the New Jerusalem. This is the desire in God's heart."
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pg. 29