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@josephw saidSonship is using the seed analogy as another angle to him being deified by this divine seed, in a similar fashion to the demi-gods of Olympus being deified by receiving Ambrosia.
Whether figurative, metaphorical, symbolic, allegorical, parabolic or hyperbolic everything has meaning and application.
The concept of "literal" interpretation is not meant to supersede literary prose and thereby dismissing intent and subsequently disannull the validity of any truth.
For example: the parable of the sower. Parable means to "bring alongside". A literal t ...[text shortened]... l truth.
God's word is as a seed planted in the soil of the heart. Figurative of a literal truth.
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Criticism cannot be "drowned out."
You will continue to criticize the Bible and Christians. I can do nothing about that.
Those not taken in by false elements of your criticism are entitled to corrections whether cut or pasted or explained.
Jury rigging the rules of the Forum to somehow assure your slanders have the last say, is just your daydream of invincibility.
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31 Jan 22
@sonship saidCriticizing the Recovery Movement is not the same as criticizing Christianity.
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
Criticism cannot be "drowned out."
You will continue to criticize the Bible and Christians. I can do nothing about that.
Those not taken in by false elements of your criticism are entitled to corrections whether cut or pasted or explained.
Jury rigging the rules of the Forum to somehow assure your slanders have the last say, is just your daydream of invincibility.
The religion you peddle here isn't Christianity. It's a weird polytheistic cult.
31 Jan 22
@ghost-of-a-duke saidThe Bible is clear. God loves everyone without respect for one above another.
Unbelievers in your particular deity are not evil.
Religion has a lot to answer for if it leads you to believe such things. I'm pretty sure there has been someone in your life you've cared about who didn't believe in your God. Were/are they evil of heart?
The believers in the God of the Bible are considered "sons/daughters", but that doesn't diminish his love for unbelievers.
Evil exists, incarnate in Satan. People do evil stuff, and still God loves them.
I have found no particular verse that outright calls unbelievers "evil".
Interpretation is relative to context, context, context.
Application is relative to context, context, context.
Seen as a whole content is very important.
God hates Satan. Pretty sure that's in the Bible. God loves people.
Good grief! Why am I posting this? 😳
31 Jan 22
@sonship said"If Christ overcame the lust that is in the world through the divine nature,.."
Josephw,
I apologise for the cluttering up of things by Rajk999 and Ghost.
They certainly can converse with one another.
My question for your musing, for your consideration is this.
If Christ overcame the lust that is in the world through the divine nature, then we believers as 'partakers of the divine nature" (2 Pet. 1:4) are in possession of w ...[text shortened]... ernative for this except one argue that Christ did not overcome the world through the divine nature.
In another post I said I don't believe Jesus "overcame the world" through the Devine nature.
Jesus did that as a man, albeit a sinless man.
"Partakers of the Devine nature", yes, but limited in scope.
We ain't gonna walk on water.
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@josephw saidI don't have to pay for it, I'm married. 😀
Take it to the dry cleaners. 🙂
Wait, what am I talking about... I pay and pay.
31 Jan 22
@josephw saidGod loves everyone in a specific sense, in that he sent his Son Jesus to die so all of mankind is justified and the stain of Adams transgression is removed so that all can inherit eternal life if they live righte4ously. God hates evil and hates evil people and no evildoer will enter the Kingdom of God... especially not Christian evildoers who have been given the Holy Spirit
The Bible is clear. God loves everyone without respect for one above another.
The believers in the God of the Bible are considered "sons/daughters", but that doesn't diminish his love for unbelievers.
Evil exists, incarnate in Satan. People do evil stuff, and still God loves them.
I have found no particular verse that outright calls unbelievers "evil".
Interpreta ...[text shortened]... es Satan. Pretty sure that's in the Bible. God loves people.
Good grief! Why am I posting this? 😳
I have loved you, saith the LORD. Yet ye say, Wherein hast thou loved us? Was not Esau Jacob's brother? saith the LORD: yet I loved Jacob, And I hated Esau, and laid his mountains and his heritage waste for the dragons of the wilderness. Whereas Edom saith, We are impoverished, but we will return and build the desolate places; thus saith the LORD of hosts, They shall build, but I will throw down; and they shall call them, The border of wickedness, and, The people against whom the LORD hath indignation for ever.(Malachi 1:2-4 KJV)
31 Jan 22
@sonship saidI find no such thing taught in the scriptures.
Have the believers in Jesus Christ become in some sense God in life and nature and expression yet not in His Godhead ?
My asnwer is yes.
"In some sense"? What sense? How do you gleen that idea from the scriptures?
The scriptures teach that we "are the sons of God".
Why add to that?
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@josephw saidThe scriptures teach that only the righteous are the sons of God / children of God, while the unrighteous are the children of the Devil. It has nothing to do with believers and unbelievers. There are professed believers who live in sin, and there are people who know no God and still live righteously as Romans 2 states
I find no such thing taught in the scriptures.
"In some sense"? What sense? How do you gleen that idea from the scriptures?
The scriptures teach that we "are the sons of God".
Why add to that?
Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God. In this the children of God are manifest, and the children of the devil: whosoever doeth not righteousness is not of God, neither he that loveth not his brother. (1 John 3:2-10 KJV)
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@sonship saidYou step outside of Christianity when you say such things.
Have the believers in Jesus Christ become in some sense God in life and nature and expression yet not in His Godhead ?
My asnwer is yes.
Your 'some sense' is 'nonsense.'
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In another post I said I don't believe Jesus "overcame the world" through the Devine nature.
Yes He did so as a man.
But as a man who denied Himself and lived by the Father, the Divine Father.
He denied Himself, took up His cross thoughout life and lived by the Father.
"I can do nothing from Myself; as I hear, I judge, and My judgement is just, because I do not seek My own will but the will of Him who sent Me." (John 5:30)
Even His goodness He denied in order to do His Father's will.
"Then Jesus answered and said to them, Truly, truly, I say to you, The Son can do nothing from Himself except what He sees the Father doing, for whatever that One does, these things the Son also does in like manner." (5:19)
He was baptized. Not because He had sins to be washed away. But He was baptized to take the lead to show He would live a crucified life, denying Himself to do the will of His Father by His Father.
"Jesus said to them, My food is to do the will of Him who sent Me and to finish His work." (4:34)
Here He says He even COULD say from Himself some things, but He would only speak what the Father gave Him to speak.
"I have many things to say and to judge concerning you, but He who sent Me is true, and what I have heard from HIm, these things I speak to the world. They did not understand that He was speaking to them of the Father." (John 8:26,27)
So denied Himself and lived this God-man life by the Father. He exhorts us to learn from Him now and live through Him.
"As the living Father has sent Me and I live because of the Father, so he who eats Me, he also shall live because of Me." (John 6:57)
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"Partakers of the Devine nature", yes, but limited in scope.
God knows how much to impart.
God knows how much to grow in us.
GHod knows how much we must grow in Him.
As the perfect life He has the perfect control.
He is not a wild growing One.
He is a regulated and perfectly wise One to know when, and how, and how much
to dispense Himself into us.